Talk:Wuppertal Schwebebahn

See also from the same constructor Eugen Langen

Schwebebahn_Dresden — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.80.234.50 (talk) 04:10, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Citation?

"The people of Wuppertal know it, however, as the “Old Lady” ("Alte Dame") or the “Steel Dragon” (“Der stählerne Drache”)."

Where does this come from? It's not mentioned in the german article, and one Wuppertal woman I asked, had never heard of these names. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.47.48.249 (talk) 16:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

search german google.de for "alte dame" wuppertal, gives e.g. http://www.dooyoo.de/sehenswuerdigkeiten-national/schwebebahn-wuppertal/768237/ , http://www.beepworld.de/members20/julia42/meinestadt.htm and 4000 other links. --79.233.31.157 (talk) 17:44, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

>>1. A Wikipedia article in another language is not a valuable reference. Articles on the same subject can and should differ from each other, in the first place because of the difference in audience. Second, foreign speaking people contributing to an article can have different (broader) points of view. 2. Asking litarally one person cannot be seen as a serious attempt to clearify something. To build a good article, it's recommendable to write comments and questions on the talk pages, and do not just delete textes.

Tea card picture!

There's a nice little picture of the schwebebahn on a Brooke Bond tea picture card here:

http://whom.co.uk/squelch/transport.htm

We probably can't use it because of copyright, but i thought people might like to see it.

-- anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.86.107 (talk) 21:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Another Film Listing

Isn't this train also featured in the film Fahrenheit 451?

63.126.72.25 (talk) 15:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC) anon

look locations, there is'nt Wuppertal. --Atamari (talk) 16:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451_(Film) states thet the suspension monorail in the movie is a test route in Châteauneuf-sur-Loire. --79.233.31.157 (talk) 17:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Berlin?

The german article says it was planned to build a schwebebahn in berlin _too_ not instead of —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.89.77.199 (talk) 09:36, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

>> 1. A Wikipedia article in another language is not a valuable reference - Please come up with sources for the statement - Jan 2011. Anonymous User Smarty

route map

Would it be possible for someone to create a routemap of the system please. It's way beyond my skill level! Thryduulf (talk) 23:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

>> Is a route map interesting for a world audience? Maybe a link to the German article will do. Anonzmous User Smarty

Alice in den Stadten

In the article, it says that the characters in the movie Alice in den Stadten "use images of the Schwebebahn" - but they aren't really "using images", they are riding the Schwebebahn. The film shows the train leaving one of the terminus stations, travelling over the river, and shows the characters riding inside the train. The film has an interesting shot from inside showing the train leaving the station, and an incredible screeching sound as the train is going around a curved section of track. - user in japan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.130.19.15 (talk) 23:06, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

>> The article seems to be written by a German native speaker, not very skilled in English. German only know one word for "of" and "from". In speaking one can distinguish the different meanings by using different grammicatical endings (Fälle). Here someone maybe just translated badly as can be seen on other spots. Anonymous User Smarty

Technical definition: monorail - suspension rail - tram - train

The Wuppertaler Schwebebahn ("Wuppertal Schwebebahn", grammatically is wrong), has characteristics of a monorail and of a suspended train. It was named one-rail-system and floating tram by businessman & engineer Eugen Langen, because untill that time transport per rail was done on two-rail systems, constructed on the ground. According to the exact technical definition of monorail, the Schwebebahn doesnt fit in that definition. Because, as I'm informed, the electrical power comes from a separate cable and not from the rail. (The Dresden Schwebebahn is something different because it is being moved by a separate cable, powered from the mountain station)

Translating the German word "Bahn" in this case is rather difficult: the word is used for path / road, in railsystem (Eisenbahn), road (Fahrbahn ), and for the actual wagon-combination train, tram or metro. While the wagons of the Schwebebahn are light and not chained in long rows, the Schwebebahn wagons fit in the definition of tram much better than in train.

So to stick as much as possible to the German wordings and its meaning, using the characterics one-rail (not single rail), suspended / suspension, elevated, floating and tram seem to be the best. Anonymous User Smarty

Original Naming

According to an 1894 memorandum from the factory of Eugen Langen, I found on the internet, the official name at that time was Anlage einer elektrischen Hochbahn (Schwebebahn), System Eugen Langen Köln translated literally Electrical Highway(meaning elevated railway-railroad) Installation (Floating Tram), System Eugen Langen Cologne.

No sources are mentioned for the official name as written in the article. A reference to the German Article isn't that valuable because the German article is lacking sources as well. Can somebody explain or add sources? Wenn not, I will change the official naming. Anonymous User Smarty

The naming convention is important. If this is, broadly, an elevated railway, it can not claim to be the oldest elevated railwoway in use. the Chicago Loop is older. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.14.180.227 (talk) 17:32, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

References

I believe this is both original research and simply a misunderstanding of the linked document. That talks about “Construction of a …”, German “Anlage einer …”, which of course doesn’t mean that the name of the railway includes “Anlage …”. I can’t find the linked document anyway, and it should be “…betreffend der Anlage…” (Genitive case), which makes the reference even less trustworthy. I’ve boldly edited to the official name from DE. Revert me and engage here if you know more. Thore Husfeldt (talk) 11:33, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Would this be classed as rapid transit?

Pros: It is electrified & runs at a high frequency

Cons: It is not heavy rail Dr. British12 (talk) 16:53, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Probably yes. The Schwebebahn resembles the heavy-rail subway systems of Berlin and Hamburg much more than the light-rail "Stadtbahn" networks of other cities, as the Schwebebahn is completely independent from other traffic. -- Typical light-rail networks in Germany started as streetcar networks, which were complemented with right-of-way and underground sections since the 1960s. Still, they're often sharing lanes with other traffic. The most "typical" of those light-rail systems is probably the Cologne Stadtbahn, not far away from Wuppertal. KyleJeevas (talk) 15:09, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

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HD Video from 1902

Does this section in the article need to exist? It's one line and only contains an external link/does not cite anything. It seems like the link could be contained in the external links section and this section removed. 141.70.80.5 (talk) 16:02, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Search the artist on the web and saw no real media coverage of the person, so I have deleted it as "not notable" --John (User:Jwy/talk) 16:16, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Tuffi

"Tuffi, meaning 'waterdive' in Italian" - the theory that the elephant was named in Italian after the jump is not supported in the English or German "Tuffi" entry in Wikipedia. They both seem to imply the name was there before. I would say this is a hoax. Tuffi is simply a typical German baby slang word, similar to Bambi or Zotti or so.146.227.239.13 (talk) 17:19, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Translation of "Einschienige Hängebahn System Eugen Langen"

The translation of "Einschienige Hängebahn System Eugen Langen" with "Eugen Langen Monorail Overhead Conveyor System" seems weird to me (native German speaker). The German term, as I understand it, means roughly "Single-Rail Hanging Railway according to the System of Eugen Langen" with the verb, prepositions and articles omitted. Especially the "conveyor system" seems off, because it implies to me that the train is propelled by elements in the guideway (instead of an on-board motor), which is not the case, and this implication is not present in the German term. I would prefer a translation like "Eugen Langen Hanging Monorail System".

Is there any source for the English term, preferably from the time the Schwebebahn was designed or opened (the German term sounds somewhat archaic today, so if the English term is archaic as well, it might explain my problems with it) Thomas5388 (talk) 13:06, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

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