Talk:WrestleMania IV/GA4

GA Review

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Reviewer: Wizardman (talk · contribs) 16:10, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm going to take this on to try and get myself back into GA reviewing despite pretty much being done here. Besides, articles waiting over a year for a review is just flat out unacceptable. It's going to take a couple weeks since wrestling articles especially have to take care with sources and prose separating facts with kayfabe and storylines. Wizardman 16:10, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Ok right off the bat I have a concern on one source, the Powerdriver Review one just seems to be a guy with a wordpress blog sharing his opinion. It's a pretty heavily-used source at that, I'd get rid of that and replace that. I'm also not sold on that attendance source even though apparently is about.com, but if you can't find a better one I won't worry about it because that's a pretty minor thing. Wizardman 16:41, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Sure Wizardman, thanks for taking this one on. I'll remove the cite, I think it shouldn't be too difficult, but might take a little time to sort out the replacement. The second one isn't that much of an issue, the information doesn't need to be cited in the infobox (per WP:INFOBOXCITE), and can be cited in text from Metzler and the broadcast itself. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:29, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

A couple more things on the source/image review end. I'm not sold on File:WMIVhogan.jpg as a fair use image, doesn't really say anything that the prose doesn't already (i'm fine with the promo poster, but more than one in an article would need a strong rationale). There's also a second powerdriver source to replace (only one use so that should be easier), and ref 42 is a permanent dead link of a source that I wasn't sure of its reliability anyway. There's a couple other sources I'm borderline on, but I'll research them over the next day or two to see if they are acceptable. Wizardman 02:30, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

I agree on the image. I assumed it was a fan shot, not fair use. Removed. Powerdriver changed to offline source. Removed deadlink - information being cited wasn't a difficult one (simply next years results). Thanks for your quick response. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:26, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

The sources seem ok now, I removed one more that seemed like an "anyone can publish something" site. There's a couple more things to clean up on that front though: the major news sites that have authors (espn, the independent, etc.) should have the author noted in the refs. Also some spots where the same site is cited are different; Wrestlemania V says Pro Wrestling History while WWF World Title 1988 says Wrestling Supercards and Tournaments. Same with ESPN.com/ESPN and canoe.com/slam.canoe.com, double check the formatting and make sure the sources read alike. One that's situated I'll start on the prose. Wizardman 02:06, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

No problem, I have added authors. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:31, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Alright, time for the prose part of the review:

• "who had faced off in the previous edition's main event" id wikilink mania 3 in the previous edition part. this is linked in the next paragraph though so this isn't mandatory.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• "ten-man tournament, for the vacant world championship." remove comma

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• "6.5 buyrate, which was reduced from 8 the previous year" presuming it was exact i'd make the second number 8.0 for consistency.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• " WWF World Heavyweight Champion while Hogan's on-screen friend André was awarded a smaller trophy than Hogan's, for being undefeated in the WWF for the previous fifteen years" take out the comma after hoan's and move it after champion.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• "along with team members, One Man Gang" rm comma

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Hogan defended his WWF World Heavyweight championship against Bundy, André sneak-attacked Hogan, applying a choke hold." this reads a little oddly, like there's a couple words missing. maybe something like "during Hogan's WWF World Heavyweight Championship defense against..."

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Ted DiBiase, a relative newcomer to the WWF, was portrayed as "The Million Dollar Man", an evil millionaire" I'd add who before was portrayed to make it flow better, also not convinced that the relative newcomer bit is necessary here.

Reworded. I'm not sure I understand the rest of this, as it was a new gimmick. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• "offered Hogan a large sum of money to sell DiBiase" was a specific amount noted? (not an issue if it wasn't, I'm just curious)

No, sources don't say, and from memory, it was never made clear (or if it was, it fluctuated). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• " attacked by The Honky Tonk Man,"" rm comma

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• "of a haircutter would regularly" add who before would.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• " had previous experience of Honky," can this be

clarified? perhaps modify this to note their former tag team status since it's wasn't that long prior.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• "vowed "to cut his ducktail hair."" since we're using an exact quote here that needs a citation.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• "manager of the Islanders commented on the legality of having animals at ringside, remarked on Koko B. Ware's macaw Frankie" another situation where i feel a word's missing as it doesn't quite read right.

reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• "In the first match of the pay-per-view event was a twenty-man over the top rope battle royal." remove In.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Brown caught Hart with his Ghetto Blaster" not sure why the finisher is in italics.

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm gonna stop here and I'll do the rest over the weekend. Taking me longer to comb through than i anticipated, as there's some sentence that i have to re-read a couple times to make sure I'm reading them correctly. Wizardman 20:29, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

No problem, Wizardman, thanks for taking a look at this one for me. I've covered the above. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

More prose stuff:

• "André the Giant and Hulk Hogan were given a bye and had directly qualified next round." and had directly qualified for the next round (side note, man i forgot just how many people had managers back then, the number was a bit jarring)

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:27, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Honky went for his Swinging neckbreaker called Shake, Rattle & Roll on Beefcake" move doesn't need to be italicized

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:27, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

• "he referee caught Gang using his cane and disqualified him and awarded the match to Savage." two ands that close feels like a run-on, reword a bit.

Reworded - :  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:27, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

• "whilst DiBiase had wrestled one less, received a bye from the quarterfinals." receiving

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:27, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Bryan Rose from Voices of wrestling called" capitalize Wrestling

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:27, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

• " and attack him with his 2x4." attacked

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:27, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Finally almost done cleaning this up. I'll place this on hold and will do another once over/hopefully pass this once everything remaining is fixed. Wizardman 01:57, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

All above is fixed Wizardman Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:27, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Everything reads pretty well now so I'm comfortable passing this. If you plan to do any more with this going forward, I'd try and make the prose a bit more active. there's a lot of "he would do this" and the like, and while it's not really an issue for GA status, I know FAC would have a problem with it. Wizardman 13:54, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for taking a look at this. Since nominating this, most of my GAs/FAs are ones that I've written mostly from scratch, rather than expanding/improving other people's work. I noticed when trying to copyedit for your review it was a bit awkward.

Thanks once again for the review. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:58, 2 September 2019 (UTC)