Talk:World constitution
Latest comment: 6 months ago by AirshipJungleman29 in topic Did you know nomination
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Did you know nomination edit
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 17:29, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
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... that since 1977 a world constitution exists with a working Provisional World Parliament?Source: [1], [2], [3] [4]- ALT1:
... that a world-wide call for a World Constitutional Convention was signed by large number of world figures and many National Governments and in result a world constitution was created?Source: [5], [6] - Reviewed:
- Comment: Recently reactivated WP: WikiProject Globalization, guys see if this fits the criteria. And thanks to the @User:Penny Richards for the source.
- ALT1:
Created by BeLucky (talk). Self-nominated at 10:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/World constitution; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Drive by comment: This dramatically overstates how much this exists and how much is "works". Many is a WTW. Is there a third hook that could be used? --Guerillero Parlez Moi 18:16, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- Ok we can make these simpler: ALT2:
... that since 1977 a world constitution has a working Provisional World Parliament?" - ALT3:
... that a world-wide call for a World Constitutional Convention was signed by large number of world figures and 5 National Governments and as result a world constitution was created?
- Ok we can make these simpler: ALT2:
Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:25, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
@BeLucky: Giving this its first full review. New enough and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. I do not like ALT1/3, and ALT2 does not remedy the issue raised above. Maybe ALT0 without "working" would do? Two issues: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:41, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Sammi Brie I agree with her. ALT0 without "working" would do. --BeLucky (talk)
- The passage
Efforts to formulate world constitutions have been present throughout history, often arising in response to global crises or conflicts. These initiatives have sought to address the limitations of the existing international order and propose more comprehensive systems of global governance.
needs a citation. - I wonder if the two bullet point lists could be written instead as prose, though that might be more of a GA-type issue than DYK.
- Comment. @ Sammi Brie and Z1720 Where are we exactly on this nomination? It looks like citations were added to the text as requested; even if BeLucky never responded here. I don't think a quibble over the bulleted points section should hold up a DYK. This is an old nom dating to last July. Let's get this done. If I am understanding the above conversation thread it looks like we could approve a modified version of the original hook which was referenced as Alt0:
... that since 1977 a world constitution exists with a Provisional World Parliament?4meter4 (talk) 18:18, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sammi is the reviewer here, I have not looked at the hooks or the article. Z1720 (talk) 19:34, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
My apologies on the delay. Approved for the following hook only. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- ALT0a: ... that since 1977, a world constitution exists with a Provisional World Parliament?
- I am uncertain on this hook @Sammi Brie and BeLucky: what does "exists with a parliament mean"? Alongside? As part of? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:51, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: I'd take "alongside", but "as part of" would require flipping the order (parliament as part of a constitution). Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:04, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- I am uncertain on this hook @Sammi Brie and BeLucky: what does "exists with a parliament mean"? Alongside? As part of? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:51, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
Sovereignty concerns edit
"Sovereignty concerns" are mentioned in the list together with practicability. This suggests a similarity where none exists, the practicability concerns are matters of implementation, the "sovereignty concern" is a fundamental disagreement on whether some form of world government (or its constitution) should exist. Of course there will be some loss of authority by national governments. The question is whether this is a good thing or not. Phrasing it as "sovereignty concerns" and including it in this list is more obscuring than enlightening. This should be its own section, where the fundamental question "should it exist?" is discussed, and if that section is only this one sentence, it's better than the current state. --77.23.120.118 (talk) 14:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)