Talk:Wo Gott der Herr nicht bei uns hält, BWV 178/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Gerda Arendt (talk · contribs) 15:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: 750h+ (talk · contribs) 07:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewing per request. Feel free to refuse my suggestions, with justification. 750h+ 07:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt review! For minor things, such as a comma, you might just make the change, and let me revert or not. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:45, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh ok, thanks for the note 750h+ 07:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

prose

lead

• and last stanza of the chorale, but six stanzas remove the comma

  done --GA

history and words

• text, six of the eight stanzas, expanding two of them by recitative, to connect remove the last comma

  done --GA

• could we merge the third paragraph (single sentence para) with any of the other paragraphs? it looks a bit unusual? Nothing wrong if we can't

  Sadly, we don't know much about the performance, except that it happened 300 years ago. Adding the choir. Couldn't find which church. It's not connected to the words (before), nor to what follows. --GA

music

• Bach uses this contrast to illustrate the text in the first lines, with no regard to its negation. ==> "Bach uses this contrast to illustrate the text in the first lines without regard to its negation."

  taken --GA

• John Eliot Gardiner who conducted the Bach Cantata Pilgrimage in 2000, summarised add a comma before "who"

  done --GA

manuscripts and publication

• son Wilhelm Friedemann was in possession of a set ==> " son Wilhelm Friedemann possessed a set"

  done --GA

recordings

• are shown with green background. ==> "are shown with a green background."

  done --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

image review

All public domain images, one a portrait of "the author of the hymn on which the cantata is based" and the rest music notes. Image review pass. 750h+ 07:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I added a pic of Gardiner who is quoted several times, to add a contemporary face. (We tried to find a pic of Dürr, but were not successful, and it would also be non-free so could not be used here.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

source review

Spot check checks out for prose. What sources are sourcing the tables? 750h+ 07:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

The sources are given above the tables, for the movements it's Dürr, and for the recordings it's Bach Cantatas Website. The latter has been questioned (in FACs) as self-published, but it's the best and most detailed source around. In the FACs, we added additional other references, or separated the recordings to a discography article. The latter is not feasible here, - too few, this cantata is not one of Bach's greatest hits ;) - compare BWV 1. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:GAN/I#R4, and leave the {{GA nominee}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. 750h+ 08:20, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

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