Talk:Winter Olympic Games/Archive 1

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Shouldn't the link to the main article for each Winter Olympic Games be similar to United States#History? So for Winter Olympic Games#1924 Winter Olympics we can have ...

1924
Main article: 1924 Winter Olympics

... that I believe makes it much clearer that the paragraph is just a summary, and clearly points out the link to the main article. -- sabre23t 00:11, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I'd rather see those paragraphs go all together, and their contents integrated into their main pages. See also Summer Olympic Games. Aliter 09:59, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Germany & "West" Germany

The "All-time Winter Olympic medal table" section in this article lists "Germany" and "West Germany" as separate countries. I disagree with this; they are the same country. If no-one objects, I'll merge the two. — Timwi 14:36, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Nordic combined

While looking at the 1960 Winter Olympics, the article didn't mention nordic combined in the list of events, and it seems to be the case for some other Winter Olympics. Wasn't it an event back then? Andjam 05:10, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Olympic medals?

With the unveiling of the new Turin, Italy Olympic medals (see this link from Sports Illustrated), I thought it might be interesting to make a Wikipedia page about the history of the Olympic medals, which could obviously be a full length article with a lot of good history (i.e.- more than just a collection of pictures). Is anyone up for a collaboration to create this kind of page? And where should it be located? Olympic medal or Olympic Games medal, perhaps? EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 04:26, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Trivial

Dunno if it's worth including, but, according to tradition, Summer Olympics' last event is the M marathon. What is it for Win? Trekphiler 01:45, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

In most Olympics, it's the men's gold medal hockey match. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.181.199.21 (talk) 13:46, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

What is the correct name of the UK's Olympic team?

Is the UK's Olympic team "Great Britain" or "Great Britain and Northern Ireland"?

see Cfd discussion: Wikipedia:Categories for deletion#Category:Great Britain at the Olympics to Category:Great Britain and Northern Ireland at the Olympics --Mais oui! 22:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Top ten athletes

Does anybody know where the Top ten athletes list is from and when it has been actualized for the last time? For example Thomas Alsgaard ist missing. He is a norwegian athlete that won already five gold medals in the last winter olympics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kofler (talk • contribs) 09:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Spelling/map

What's with the non-standard American English spellings and grammar? And the map doesn't look right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.54.243.242 (talk • contribs)

I restored your grammar/spelling edits. But, when it comes to removing images, it's good practice to leave an edit summary and first discuss on the talk page. Otherwise, it appears like vandalism. As for the map, what about it doesn't look right to you? -Aude (talk | contribs) 02:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Also – United States is spelled United Sates in the History Section.

Math Problem

ATTENTION: There seems to be a problem: this page, denoting all-time winter olympic medals, and the summer page, show more medals than the combined list of olympic medals. I would like to bring this to the attention of someone who is willing to find out where the problem is; redistribute the medals (based too on the current games) on this page, the all time summer page, and the total medals page; and possibly create three new pages with this data because these pages are important and the way they are now (dis-similar formatting), it is hard to follow. Thank you for your time! —Jared 14:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Locations map

Anyone got anything against replacing the map with the locations with Image:Winter Olympics Locations.PNG ? In that version, the French and Italian islands are coloured in appropriately and the orange colour is darker (in the current map it's harder to see the orange). --HJV 19:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

"THe the Olympics are stupid the olympics are stupid", followed by roughly ten exclamation points, has been put up by hack on the page. This needs to be weeded. --Chr.K. 23:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Ethnicity/nationality and the winter olympics

The section "Nordic dominance" seems a bit like original research.

However, if the section remains, it may be worth mentioning the sports in which people of African ethnicity have medalled in. Maybe a mention of what sports predominantly non-snowy countries compete in as well (bobsleigh, skeleton, cross-country skiing and aerial skiing come to mind). Andjam 02:10, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Original research? Terrible researcher, if so. The Nordic countries of Norway, Sweden, and Finland took 6th, 7th, and 12th in terms of overall medals, respectively. And did even worse by gold medals. Denmark and Iceland were not present. I'm having trouble seeing how they got 71% of the medals. I've removed the entire section. -- Jonel | Speak 05:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

By Nordic countries, we mean most of those north of the Alps and west of the Elbe. It remains a fact that compared to the original, the true Olympics, these here are exclussive and most demand hyper specialist equipment (unlike marathon, swimming, athletics, ball games, etc). Furthermore, TV audiences were low and NBC seems to have made a loss on its investment.

Original research? The figures speak for themselves. If Jonel keeps disagreeing, please provide reasons that stand – meanwhile thanks for the input. Politis 20:50, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

That's very clearly not what Nordic countries means. Also, the United States and Canada are neither "non-Nordic European" nor "Asian" nations. They always get some medals, so saying 90% go to European countries that are either Nordic or have long, white winters and 10% go to Asian nations with specialist facilities is clearly false even without debating what Nordic means or the requirements for "long, white winters" or "specialist facilities". The medal table simply does not support your contentions. Find a source for "Nordic dominance" that actually supports your claim, if you wish to add it. -- Jonel | Speak 21:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, that's a fair reply. I will try and focus my information.Politis 14:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Largest host city?

The article makes the claim: "Vancouver will be the largest city to host a Winter Olympics". Is it possible that Sapporo might still hold that claim? Sapporo is a much larger city than Vancouver, both in area and population. However, if you include the large cities surrounding Vancouver as a "metropolitan area" (Vancouver + Surrey + Burnaby + several more), then "Vancouver" may have the edge. But maybe not — 1972 population figures for Sapporo would have to be used, which I couldn't find. Thoughts? --Ds13 08:15, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Nobody else responded, so I dug slightly deeper and found a few more stats. (To be verified against other sources.) In 1970, Sapporo alone had a population of "over 1 million"[1], so in 1972, it would be reasonable to say it had a population of twice that of Vancouver today.

The questions remain:

* Should Vancouver be considered larger?

* Does anyone know what an equivalent surrounding area of Sapporo would include to make this an apples-to-apples comparison?

--Ds13 22:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Table of contents

The table of contents is way too long, with a summary for each games. Might I suggest someone making a TOC template for this page that will fit it into a nice small box. If someone agrees but can't do it, I'll do it...just let me know. 'Cause its way too long! Thanks --J@red ^[T]/_[+] 21:24, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Torch Guy

Does anyone know the name of the guy carrying the torch at the top? StargateX1 02:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Picture of John Nowak carrying the Olympic Torch to Salt Lake City and the 2002 Winter Games. Picture from: [2] --As quoted from the image page. Glad to be of service! --J@red ^[T]/_[+] 02:48, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Good article/Featured article status.

There's a reason why this article is not a featured one, and I think it is because of its unruly format: there's a heading for each games, and who has time to looks at them all? I suggest we set up a team of individuals who will help restructure this article and bring it up to good/featured status. If we only got it to look like its summer counterpart (which it should look like anyway) then maybe we have a shot. Does anyone agree with this? --J@red ^[T]/_[+] 12:11, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Article renovation

I decided to be bold and I fixed up the page myself. I took out much info regarding athletes, as I though it took up too much space, but feel free to put some back in if you deem it necessary. The sections are also in need of some pictures, so if you can collect some posters of the games or some nice images of athletes, that'd be great. Any other help would be nice! Wouldn't if be great if the trio of articles about the olympics are all featured?! → J@red  21:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Article on date change

I would like to create an article about the reason the rule about what years what kinds of Olympics are held changed, but I don't know what the best title is. Any good title?? Georgia guy 02:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure either, but you could check out Olympiad for suggestions, perhaps. I havn't looked there yet so I don't know if it'll be helpful.

For now, though, if you really want to work on an Olympic article, it would be appreciated if you looked at the Summer Olympic Games page, which has been listed for featured article delisting. This page, too, needs help to become a FA. Thanks. → J@red  19:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

GA Failing

This article needs references or citations, or something. Anything. Please see WP:CITE and WP:LEAD. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 21:37, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Looking through now, there are references. The lead is still pretty weak--I'd like to get it improved before renominating for GA. -- Jonel | Speak 19:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Ski jumping link

I have moved the link that was in the description of ski jumping into the ski jumping page itself. It looks cleaner this way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.168.108.14 (talk) 17:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Distances, styles, and starts

I think a paragragh or two should be devoted to the ever-chaging number and types of events held at the Olympics in the cross-country skiing page. I read on the Turin 2006 Winter Olympics page, that cross-country skiing is alternating the styles (classical and freestlye) in certain events after each olympics. If this could be discussed in-depth, I think it would be helpful. Also, it seems that the distances in some events have been lengthened as well as the starts having been modified. Mass starts, interval starts, and pursuits should also be discussed and differentiated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.168.108.14 (talk) 18:18, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

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World War II – Cortina d'Ampezzo

I added "Italy" to follow the same style of the other locations mentioned in the article 77.127.68.216 (talk) 04:50, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Recent unfairness?

The article Lamine Guèye (skier) says:

Guèye has been a prominent figure in drawing attention to what he considers to be discriminatory qualification rules for the Winter Olympics, and has written to the International Olympic Committee requesting that all countries be granted the right to participate in the Winter Games, as was the case up to 1992 (included), and as is still the case for the Summer Olympics.

I can't read the cites, and this article says nothing about it. Shouldn't some details of this this be covered here?--Prosfilaes (talk) 01:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Sochi 2014

Any reason why the introduction refers to Sochi as being only "tentitavely planned" to host the 2014 games? Glensky (talk) 22:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

The correct title of this article should be Olympic Winter Games

The correct title of this article should be "Olympic Winter Games", as that is what they are officially called by the IOC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.163.124 (talk) 04:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Reaction to perceived threat of terrorism

Article states, "All Olympics since September 11, 2001 have required a higher level of security to avoid any terrorist attack." That is a statement of opinion. Such a higher level of security may not be required in order to avoid a terrorist attack. I suggest something like, "Beginning with the 2002 Winter Games, public concern over the perceived risk of terrorist activity led to more extensive security measures." This would require some information about whether the impetus for change was public concern, knee-jerk reaction of IOC, Salt Lake City government, etc. Pmocek (talk) 20:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Winter Olympic Games/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

GA Review

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   • What is meant by the first nominally international... As a reader, I feel that something is being withheld from me, but I do not understand what.

   • Removed "nominally" as it would be out of the scope of the article to go into detail on how homogenous the Nordic Games were.

   • In general, there are several places where the brackets break the prose; it should rarely be used in professional prose. This will need to be fixed before FAC.
     • Yes, of course parenthesis. I just couldn't remember the word at the time.

   • Point of clarification, by brackets do you mean parenteses ()? I just want to be sure I'm hunting down the right things.

   • There are many inconsistencies throughout the article, in particularly related to the MoS. The article will need a thorough check to comply if nominate for FAC.

   • I've become more versed in MOS issues since first nominating this article. I will go through it again and make corrections.

   • Every single host city has its country states, except for the US hosts, which are always indicated by their state. This is highly biased; however, almost all American Wikipedians who submit material to GA reviews seems to be unable to see this clear bias. With all due respect, two-thirds of the worlds English speakers do not live in the US—please take a more international perspective on your editing. (Interestingly, Canadian and British Wikipedians do not have the same problem).

   • I am ashamed. I truly try to be unbiased so I appreciate the slap on the wrist when my efforts fall short. I see another chastisement coming.

   • Why is it stated that Squaw Valley was nothing more than a village? The same could be said about Garmish-Partenkirchen, Cortina d'Ampezzo and Lake Placid.

   • The source here stressed the near nonexistence of Squaw Valley prior to hosting the Games. That said, the other villages listed could fall into the same context, I'll remove the statement.

   • Is Saporro correct? There is no such mention of a place on either the English nor the Swedish Wikipedia. (It could exist, but I am double-checking). Calling it a city is a bit of an exageration, anyhow.

   • I believe Sapporo, Japan (host of the 1972 Games) is the city which is meant here. I've corrected the spelling and added the country to eliminate the conjunction confusion. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 18:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

   • Jonel is right here, sorry for the mix up. H1nkles (talk) 19:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

   • It is not USD $X, but either USD X or US$X.

   • I note you took great pains to fix many of my transgressions. Thank you. I'll go through the article again to make sure there are no other examples of this.

   • I do not think the world "bereft" is common enough to use on Wikipedia.

   • Removed bereft and reworded sentence. H1nkles (talk) 16:48, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   • Identical references should call on the same ref several times. For instance use the syntax <ref name=whatever>...</ref> and then recall the ref with <ref name=whatever />.

   • I think I've got all the duplicate references and combined them. H1nkles (talk) 19:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

   • There are bad isbn checksums.

   • The Olympic Sports and Propaganda Games book has an isbn end digit of "x". I'm not sure how to rectify that so I put it in as "x".

   • The last digit of the isbn mumber is a check-sum. It can be calculated by hand or through a simple program. Perhaps the article on isbn has the algorithm.

3. (outdent) I'm going to have to pause at this point and get back to real life. I'll jump back on this later, thanks again for your work. H1nkles (talk) 20:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
4. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   • The two controversies are way out of scope. The first issue is important enough, and could receive its own paragraph, but the judge scandal is of a very marginal importance in an article about the Winter Olypmics. A sentence or two in the history section would be sufficient.

   • I cut out the judging scandal and put about three lines into the 2002 Games history section. It was hard to keep it short but I think I got the basics in there.

   • How was the China/Taiwan issue resolved before the 1984 games? (a sentence or two will do).

   • I added two sentences to the 1984 history section about the resolution to the conflict started in 1980. H1nkles (talk) 16:15, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

5. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   • In general, the article has a thorough bias towards the US. In part this is because an abundance of sources are American, but there are many areas where the scope, prose or detailing is related towards the US.

   • I will undertake a critical look at the article and make changes to internationalize it. H1nkles (talk) 16:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

   • I've sifted the article and attempted to de-Americanize it. I hope it is a little more balanced. I also added a spot on Björn Dählie, the great Norwegian cross-country skiier who was glaringly missing from the history section. H1nkles (talk) 18:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

   • That would be Bjørn Dæhlie (no need to write his name as they do in Sweden or Germany ;)

   • I am sooo bad with the script, I wish I knew more about European languages and how to write them in Wikipedia, I would have caught that. Thanks. H1nkles (talk) 15:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

   • The section on the 1980 Lake Placid games seems to have an American bias. The formulations are marginally in favor of the US throughout the paragraph. It should be polished down. Remember to consult non-US sources.

   • You're absolutely right, I removed "American" from "American boycott" because it ended up being a boycott of nearly the entire western world anyway. I feel that the hockey win and Heiden's five golds would be glaringly missing if either were removed but I also added a noteworthy acheivement by a female skiier from Liechenstein. I could add more if you feel the section is still out of balance. H1nkles (talk) 16:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

   • Describing a person as "charismatic" is not appropriate on Wikipedia. It is a weasel word, and is highly subjective.

   • Removed

   • Under politics, it is discussed how German propagated their politics through the Games. Could it be explained how? All the article mentions is how they did not propagade anit-semittism nor "unpopular beliefs". As it stands, the paragraphs says nothing, but makes highly subjective claims. I am also concerned because of the personification of Hitler.

   • In rereading the intro paragraph for this section I found it bland and poorly written. I removed it entirely. I'm not sure an introduction is required, if so I'll put something in there but for now I'll leave it as is. H1nkles (talk) 16:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

6. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

7. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   • I will accept the fair use rationale for File:1924w.jpg under doubt.

   • As I am slowly pushing this article towards featured status I know that FAC reviewers look very critically at fair use, I don't think the image would pass at that level so I removed it, with sadness. H1nkles (talk) 16:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

   • Remember not to force image sizes
   • More images would be nice (though not a GA criteria, just a recommendation).

8. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   I am placing the article on hold. There are several issues that need to be addressed. I have given some comments regarding future work to get the article closer to FA requirements, since I see that the article is approching features quality.

   I appreciate your review I'll get on the fixes and work towards upgrading the article. H1nkles (talk) 16:21, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

   I have worked through your suggestions and Jonel and I have made several edits. Please advise if there is more work to do and I will be happy to take it on. Thanks. H1nkles (talk) 18:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

   I am passing the article. It is a fine piece of work, and way over the GA criteria. I have been a bit picky to help in areas I have spotted that could be a problem at FA, since such a fine, and not least important, work should go there. Personally I would recommend at least one check for MOS and a copyedit by someone who hasn't written the article. Other than that all I can say is the best of luck. Arsenikk ^(talk) 11:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

   Thank you, I appreciate your work. Your two reviews of my articles have been cogent, topical and not the least bit nit picky. The article is better, which is why I really believe in the GA process. Keep on doing what you do! H1nkles (talk) 15:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Southern Hemisphere

Someone knows why the Winter Olympics are never held in the southern hemisphere? Has ever a southern country bid to host them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cloviz (talk • contribs) 14:22, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

You are right in that no one in the southern hemisphere has ever bid for a Winter Olympics. The only country to hold a Summer Games in the South Hem. is Australia. I would have to make a big generalization when I say that I believe that most countries in the southern hemisphere do not have the money, security, technology, or even will to bid, let alone hold, an Olympic games. As far as the Winter games, though, I think it's more along the lines of the fact that the little land there is in the southern hem doesn't go far enough south to get the full effects of winter. There is more "Winter land" in the north. I hope that helped! → JARED ^(t)  15:10, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I believe only three countries in the south have the climatic conditions needed (namely New Zealand, Argentina and Chile). Of the requirements listed by Jared, New Zealand seems to be lacking will only; but I'd add tradition.Cloviz 00:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

A big problem with holding Winter Olympics in the Southern Hemisphere vs. holding the Summer Olympics in the Southern Hemisphere is time of the year. While the summer games can have a wide latitude and still feel "summery," you're going to always have a fight on your hand if your Olympic committee proposes to have the winter games during the summer. Many, if not most, ski areas typically open no earlier than June and close by October. Still I think it'd be awesome to see a Winter Olympics somewhere like Bariloche!! --Robertjm (talk) 23:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

And in that post we see the (no doubt unintended) self interest that surrounds a lot of this decision making. June to October is not summer in the souther hemisphere. It's winter. Fine for southern hemisphere based competitors. The Sydney summer Olympics were held in September. That's the end of winter for Australian and other southern hemisphere citizens. Totally inappropriate timing to be at the top of one's form for outdoor sports, but the northern hemisphere domination of the IOC always wins out. HiLo48 (talk) 01:06, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I'll add that New Zealand may not have the money. The last two Winter Olympics cost a lot of money, and while the economy is strong in NZ, I doubt it could handle the enormous costs of hosting the olympics, even if it is the winter version. Plus, I think NZ is more focused on hosting the Rugby World Cup more than the olympics anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Perakhantu (talk • contribs) 03:41, June 28, 2006

The Smiggin Holes 2010 Winter Olympic bid is the closest Australia has come to a bid for the Winter Olympics. Which isn't very close. Andjam 15:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

The other problem that New Zealand would face putting on a Winter Olympics is that its ski resorts, while possibly of sufficient quality to host a Winter Olympics, are a very, very long way from a city of sufficient size to do the rest of the hosting. Queenstown, New Zealand is a town of 10,000 people, and the nearest city of any size at all, Dunedin, has only about 130,000 people and is about four hours drive by car. Auckland is on the North Island and as such is well out of reach. --Robert Merkel 06:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

First sentence

Will somebody please change the first sentence of this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.253.51 (talk) 21:39, 8 January 2010 (UTC) Media:Example.ogg i think the Olympics —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.232.207.227 (talk) 15:43, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

go to ask.com hey you whats up with u —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.232.207.227 (talk) 15:46, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Sochi will be the first city with a subtropical climate to host the Winter Games.

{{editsemiprotected}} Sochi will be the first city with a subtropical climate to host the Winter Games.

The article makes this claim, although backed up by a reference, is clearly not correct. Turino also has a subtropical climate. This information can be verified by a number of sources, including the Torino, Italy Wikipedia article. If one argues that in the case of Turino that the Alpine events actually took place in the mountains they should be reminded that the same will occur in Sochi.

I suggest that the article be modified as follows:

The Olympic Committee states that Sochi will be the first city with a subtropical climate to host the Winter Games, although the climate in Turino Italy could also be considered subtropical. (or something simmilar)

My old geography teacher taught me that Turin, being in Italy, has a Mediterranean climate, with hot, dry summers and wet, cold winters. Sub-tropical means warm, wet summers and dryer cooler winters. Very different. HiLo48 (talk) 11:09, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome and thanks, but we would need to have a reliable source which points out that the Olympic Committee is incorrect about this. Even if you had a reliable source which judged Turin's climate to be subtropical (Wikipedia is not a reliable source), using that to refute another reliable source is not allowed. Don't worry, if it is a genuine mistake on their part, some newspaper or magazine is sure to point that out before too long. Celestra (talk) 20:03, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Here is a source that describes Turin as subtropical. Of course there are also sources that describe it as Mediterranean, but a Google search yields many more results for subtropical. Since many people clearly consider Turin subtropical, I do think it's misleading to have this sentence in the article, regardless of what the IOC says. ~~Andrew Keenan Richardson~~ 18:57, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

in the olimpics china and spaine and other contrys the best team's ever will challenge in the olympics —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.220.175.83 (talk) 17:43, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

An update to the Winter Olympic Games Article

In the fourth paragraph of the article it is stated that France is the only country to have hosted the Winter Games three times while Canada has hosted it twice. If someone, as I do not have permission, to update this to represent Canada as also hosting the Winter Games three times it would be appreciated.

-Canadian Fan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.53.24.17 (talk) 02:53, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Canada has only hosted the Winter Olympics twice, plus one Summer Olympics. Three in total, not three Winter Games. HiLo48 (talk) 04:15, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Canada has now hosted three, not two

Canada has now hosted three, not two, Winter Olympics. I'd fix this, but I couldn't seem to find any edit buttons. (99.236.152.196 (talk) 07:05, 1 March 2010 (UTC))

There is nothing to fix. You are wrong. See above, please. HiLo48 (talk) 07:09, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

2002 to present sub-section – obsession with Canada

This sub-section should be renamed 2002 to present – a look at Canadian results.

There is far too much mention of Canada in this sub-section and hardly any mention of anybody else. It is very unbalanced.

HiLo48 (talk) 07:08, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree, the tricky part is that the judging scandal at the 2002 Games involved Canadians, the feel-good story about the broken pole involved a Canadian, and Canada did win both the men's and women's ice hockey golds in 2002 and 2010, which is noteworthy. I think that since the 2010 Games are now history that the paragraph about the Vancouver Games can be rewritten and balanced out a bit. I can't see taking out the judging scandal, perhaps the feel-good story could be replaced with something else to provide more balance. Something should be done though. I'll take a longer look at it and see what I can do. User:H1nkles _{citius altius fortius} 19:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I think you may find other countries doubled up on golds like the ice hockey too. It's just that it's the game Canadians are obsessed with. Ice hockey is not more important than any other sport, as Canadian writers tend to see it. In my country we wouldn't have even noticed. Neither view is balanced. HiLo48 (talk) 19:57, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Having written a few of these articles, and after shepherding this article through the GA process I've found it difficult to maintain balance. Certain countries have done exceedingly well at the Games and their exploits should be outlined if they are noteworthy. But I agree that the section is seriously Canada-centric. I'm not Canadian and I can clearly see the unbalanced nature of the section. I'll keep tinkering. My goal is to eventually get this article to FA, but having sections like this don't help, and as far as I can tell, editors come in and add a line here and there without considering the over all flow of the section. User:H1nkles _{citius altius fortius} 20:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Norway's Winter Games dominance

Just felt like sharing

• this article from The Wall Street Journal

"By the end of these Olympic Games, the Norwegians will have pulled off what is, arguably, one of the finest performances in the modern history of sports."

• this article from The Atlantic

=) Dugnad (talk) 08:50, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Dates are wrong!!!

Could somebody go into the chart and check the opening and closing dates? A number of them do not jive with the actual articles on the events. 68.146.64.9 (talk) 16:44, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Copyedit April 2011

Hi

During the copyedit a few things came to light that may need attention:

1964 to 1980

• "The Soviet Union won its fourth straight ice-hockey gold medal." (para4) – what is meant by straight?

2002 to present

• "The judging broke along Cold War lines" – needs further explanation.

Boycott

• "The Republic of China, known as Taiwan," – should this not be "Taiwan, previously competing as the Republic of China,"?

General notes

• There is some mixing of US and UK English, for example "medalist" (US) vs "medallist" & "favoured" (UK). I can see that most of the original text (in 2005) was not really clear either way. One or the other should be chosen as the standard.
• Games = "were" rather than "was".
• Date and comma format:

"In (date), this happened..." or "During(date), this happened..." is not correct, the comma is not needed and should read "In (date) this happened..."

"something, and" is generally not good prose. Often the "and" should be dropped or the comma removed, if there are two ands in the sentence consider using another word to join the sentence together.

Chaosdruid (talk) 14:11, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your work, I'll address these issues before making a run at FAC. H1nkles (talk) _{citius altius fortius} 16:01, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Numbering

Why are Winter Olympic games numbered only by the ones held, while the Summer Olympics are numbered whether they are held or not? The Winter numbering does not allow for 1940 and 1944, while the Summer numbering numbers those and 1916 and notes they were not held. GBC (talk) 02:06, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Olympic Winter Games

According to the Olympic Charter, the correct name of the Games is the "Olympic Winter Games" not "Winter Olympic Games."

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Can this be updated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.209.3.10 (talk) 13:38, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Ohh, SEE? So I was RIGHT! Wasn't I?

--"Maxx Fordham"

Edit Sochi 2014

Sochi 2014 has, as of 8am PST today, ended. Please switch it from "Ongoing" to "Finished" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.66.142.47 (talk) 20:40, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Which is correct: "Winter Olympic Games" or "Olympic Winter Games"?

The Olympic Charter has it "Winter Olympic Games" "Olympic Winter Games" and there are a number of newspaper articles revering to them as Winter Olympic Games. An alternative name often seen in sources is "Winter Olympics". Other than Wikipedia, "Winter Olympic Games" appears to be non-standard and not based on the best sources. I believe that based on sources, the name of this article should be changed to "Olympic Winter Games". --I am One of Many (talk) 06:10, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I think you have the first claim in your post back to front. HiLo48 (talk) 06:18, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, it is confusing. Perhaps that is how we ended up with Winter Olympic Games and Summer Olympic Games. Both were started by the same editor without sources. --I am One of Many (talk) 09:20, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, no, those latter forms are by far the most common where I come from – Australia – a very sports obsessed country. So they are perfectly normal forms of the name. I accept what's in the charter is what you're proposing. I don't know how this can be easily resolved for such a worldwide thing. HiLo48 (talk) 10:58, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm from the United States, and I know I'm inclined to say "Winter Olympic Games" and "Summer Olympic Games," but as I search the Internet, I find two main ways to refer to them: "Olympic Winter Games" and "Winter Olympics" (similarly "Olympic Summer Games" and "Summer Olympics"). Could it be that people in Australia and the United States often call them "Winter Olympics"? I think I commonly say "Winter Olympics" and so that may be why "Winter Olympic Games" sounded OK with me, but now since sources say otherwise, I think it is a small error that many of us have made. I am One of Many (talk) 16:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

XXII Olympic Winter Games & XXII Olympic Winter Games --IIIraute (talk) 16:52, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2014

Under 2014, where it talks about Sochi being the host for 2014, the word break is spelled beak.

Rufusmi (talk) 01:16, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

 Fixed, thanks! LittleMountain5 05:27, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Winter Olympics in the Southern Hemisphere

I'm waiting to see when will this event takes place in the southern hemisphere. Four countries south of the equator have natural conditions to host it: South Australia (perhaps Tasmania), and above all New Zealand, Argentina and Chile. Chile would be a perfect location as it has plenty of snow in the Andes. As fas as I know it has already organized world championships in skiing. Chile's capital, Santiago, is very close to the famous ski resorts of the Andes. Being a large city, it's an excelent location for the event's base. The odd aspect is that this event would have to be done in July or August, the southern hemisphere winter, but I do not see that it would be a problem as long as it wansn't not done in the same time of the football world cup.

Tierra Del Fuego in the southern tip of South America would be another suitable location. It's a cold region located bellow the parallel 50 with plenty of snow even outside the southern winter.

The South Island of New Zealand is mountanious, temperate and it has famous ski resorts. Northern Hemisphere skiers often come here to practice in the northern hemisphere summer months.

Hosting the Winter Olympics in the Southern Hemisphere would help to promote winter sports in the Southern Hemisphere, therefore contributing to promote the snow and ice sports in the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.181.159.88 (talk) 23:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC) LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjmax1234 (talk • contribs) 19:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I guess no one sees a point in your repeated LOLs. Any ideas, either in agreement or in disagreement, but any ideas about the topic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.5.232 (talk) 01:00, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Olympic Games—plural or singular?

The lead of this article treats "Olympic Games" as a singular noun (e.g. "Games is." The form of the phrase is clearly plural. Cambridge Dictionary defines the word as the Olympic Games plural noun /əˈlɪm.pɪk ˈɡeɪmz/ (also the Olympics /əˈlɪm.pɪks/) an international sports competition that happens every four years. The ESL Library treats "Olympics" as a singular collective noun, but "Olympic Games" as a plural noun. The article Olympic Games uses the plural construction. User:HopsonRoad 23:44, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

I have implemented the plural construction, required in two places. User:HopsonRoad 20:43, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Links to cancelled games in the infobox

I edited the infobox (or rather, the panel right beneath the actual infobox, which pretty much functions as an infobox as well), removing the links to the cancelled 1940 and 1944 Olympic Games and leaving only links to games that actually took place. Cancelled games may be linked from Template:Olympic Games and duly discussed in the articles Olympic Games, Winter Olympic Games, Bids for Olympic Games, etc, but these infobox-like panels should be summarizing what is most basic and important, and should only be listing key facts and details, with links ensuring easy navigation and reference (MOS:INFOBOX#Purpose of an infobox). Cancelled events and actual ones aren't of equal historical value. To draw a parallel, you don't find empty 1940 and 1944 sections at the various lists of Olympic medalists, or notes explaining that there are no medalists from those events because they never actually took place. The same goes for the articles Summer Olympic Games and 2022 Winter Olympics, where I made the same edits. Feel free to discuss. --Theurgist (talk) 23:07, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I appreciate your explanation, here, Theurgist. I'm fine with what you did, now that you've explained the practice on related articles. The deletion dropped any link to the cancelled 1944 games, which I can easily restore in the text. Thanks for writing here. Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 01:44, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

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The United States has hosted the Games four times (1932, 1960, 1980, 2002); France has been the host three times (1924, 1968, 1992); Austria (1964, 1976), Canada (1988, 2010), Japan (1972, 1998), Italy (1956, 2006), Norway (1952, 1994), and Switzerland (1928, 1948) have hosted the Games twice. Germany (1936), Yugoslavia (1984), and Russia (2014) have hosted the Games once.

Technically, the United States itself has never hosted the games. Cities host the games, not countries. 151.141.81.92 (talk) 19:16, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

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Map of Winter Olympic Games sites

An editor substituted the following map for the one that I restored:

1924

1928,1948

1932,1980

1936

1952

1956

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1984

1988

1992

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Host cities of the games through 2022

2022

I appreciate the usefulness of being able to link to the games site in the above map, but it's too cluttered to distinguish among sites in Europe, which greatly diminishes the utility of the idea. I have commented this map out of the article, pending discussion. User:HopsonRoad 00:42, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

At some point since May 2016, someone undid this change and replaced it with the old map. That map is way too cluttered. I too appreciate the usefulness of being able to link to the games, but the list serves that purpose just as well. This picture, which color-codes countries, is much more useful and aesthetically pleasing. I have reverted the change once again, pending discussion. I have also placed the map at the end of the section, because the list is much more relevant and information-rich. Vanderdecken12 (talk) 15:26, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Official title?

Since the official title of the games is Olympic Winter Games, why is this article not so named? I propose a name change. User:HopsonRoad 10:48, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

All-time medal table

Hi! I guess it's wiser to have only top 10 medal winning nations on this page with a reference to the All-time Olympic Games medal table#Winter Olympics where any reader can find a full table with all medal winning nations listed. User:Cskamoscow100 9:48, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

I support to have only top 10.Nitobus (talk) 15:16, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Time pattern

For the Winter Olympic Games; why it had to change from every 4 years to every 4 years of the "2"? So it now doing every 4 years of the "2" (e.g. 2002, 2006, 2010, 2014, 2018, etc...). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.44.162.2 (talk) 02:51, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

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