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Fansite tag

Latest comment: 13 years ago8 comments3 people in discussion

Article has way too much puff in it, including thew repeated use of the phrase "critical praise". Reads too much like a CV, showing off accomplishments and going out of the way to name co-stars. Thought that saying she "starred alongside" Portman and Kunis in Black Swan was a stretch, reduced the impact of the phrasing. As article stands, it is set up as if to say "Here's all the ways that Winona Ryder is awesome", rather than neutrally cover her bio. Not sure how it became a Good Article. Echoedmyron (talk) 19:45, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

agree that sentence in intro was not required, but disagree that whole article is written to a fans point of view.Monkeymanman (talk) 19:46, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I also disagree that the article is written from a fan's point of view. A few sentences may need revising, but the fansite tag is completely unnecessary. Cresix (talk) 20:04, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Okay, maybe I'm applying that too strictly. But the way this article is written, you'd think she was Meryl Streep. I think it's more than just a "few sentences". The word "acclaim" appears five time alone, and her "performance" is specifically referenced by how wonderfully it has been reviewed by critics - often with direct quotes - on at least ten occasions. I wouldn't be surprised to see this type of promotion on say, her own website to help her get acting gigs; I don't think it belongs here, though. Echoedmyron (talk) 20:30, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
her "performance" is specifically referenced by how wonderfully it has been reviewed by critics - often with direct quotes - on at least ten occasions Thats the way almost every Bio on wikipedia has been written (including Ms Streeps, although not as poorly referenced), and is the wikipedia policy of using quotations from reliable sources to verify what is in the text. There are also quotations from critics (also reliably sourced) about how poor some of her work has been. There are also significant portions of the article devoted to her scrutinised relationships and shoplifting arrest which does not show her in such a promotional advert.Monkeymanman (talk) 20:44, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Maybe I'm not as experienced with BLPs of actors and it wouldn't surprise me that you yourself have more experience in that area; my point was that it reads like a movie poster. And yes, you do see similar things in the Streep article. Interestingly enough, that article has less instances of what I was talking about. Which is why I brought it up - I would expect that articles for actors would reflect some sort of comparative scale, for both achievements and acclaim. My feeling was that there was too much emphasis on Ryder's achievements in a positive light. At no point did I suggest that failures or controversy were not covered. At any rate, fine, I'll leave this alone, seeing as others are on top of things. Echoedmyron (talk) 21:16, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
You can add any negative reviews of her acting, as long as it is balanced, covers her entire career, and is reliably sourced. I think the criticism of her personal life is already sufficiently covered. Cresix (talk) 21:39, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I dont think its a case of people being on top of things. I am certainly not the most experienced wikipedia editor and not the most experienced with BLP's but i have edited a few and it is the norm for critical analysis of a persons work to correctly structure a Biographical article. This normally (for one reason or another) amounts to positive criticism. Ms Streeps article is actually quite poor for an actor of her acclaim (perhaps something we could look into). I hope i havent scared you off and i would welcome your input into how parts of the article could be changed and improved but as a whole it certainly is not written from a fans point of view. Regards Monkeymanman (talk) 22:04, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Cigarette Smoking

Latest comment: 12 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

One can find many references confirming that "Noni" smokes cigarettes. For example, she had a difficult time when filming her "Star Trek" part because she was not allowed to go outside for a smoking break so that the costume she wore would remain secret. But the underweight actress appears with a fuller figure at the "Black Swan" Premiere at 2010 Toronto International Film Festival. See http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/14/natalie-portman-winona-ry_n_716023.html . Gaining weight is a side effect of quitting smoking, but that might not be the reason. Q43 (talk) 07:36, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Problem with one of the sources

Latest comment: 10 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

"Winona Ryder - The Biography" by Nigel Goodall is one of the sources used for this article. Now I own a copy of this book and I'm a fan of the book but the book doesn't have a bibliography and doesn't list any of the sources officially, mainly unofficially in the acknowledgements.

The author didn't do interviews with the subject or any of her family, I'd guess the author mainly used magazine articles and fan forums for his information. And not saying that's bad, but I don't feel that's appropriate to use as a source for a encyclopedia article, no matter how accurate it is. It's not a good foundation. Meme3234 (talk) 08:53, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

GPA Lies

Latest comment: 10 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I have removed the part about her graduating from Petaluma High School with a 4.0 GPA. I don't care what IMDB says, it simply is false. I know because I was a member of the same class as her. I graduated second in the class. She was not even in the top 10 students in our class, ever. We had a dinner every year honoring the top 10 in each class in town. She was never one of them. She didn't even graduate with us. After she started making so many films, she disappeared completely from school sometime during sophomore or junior year. I don't know how she finished high school, maybe did the GED, or maybe never finished at all. Unless she can produce a transcript with the 4.0 on it, which will never happen, you should not be writing these lies about her! It's a myth she created herself that has no foundation in reality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.232.190.140 (talk) 05:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)


You sound pressed as a panini, sir. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BCD1:4BD0:5921:8682:38C0:1C03 (talk) 23:31, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Latest comment: 10 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The article should say how to pronounce her first name correctly. (I.e., how she and her acquaintances pronounce it). The archive has a discussion about it, and the outcome seems to be "wih-NO-na". However, "wih" is not a word and I am not sure how it is pronounced. Like "win" without the "n"?

The German wikipedia claims it is /wɪˈnəʊnə/, where "ɪ" is the same sound as in "bit".

I do hear "why-no-na" occasionally, but usually from journalists, who probably just don't know any better.

--The very model of a minor general (talk) 19:43, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Religion of Winona's father

Latest comment: 8 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

In the 'early life & education' section it states that her father is Jewish, then later on states that he is an atheist. Which is correct? VenomousConcept (talk) 16:46, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

I would assume that she is half-Jewish ethnically, but not Jewish religiously. Nymf hideliho! 16:59, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Good question, and much debated within the Jewish community. Best answer I have read: "Judaism" refers to a religion, while "Jewish" or "a Jew" also refers to an ethnicity that grew out of that religion. Her father could, then, be "Jewish" without believing in "Judaism." An ethnicity, by the way, is not a race.Profhum (talk) 08:26, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

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Hiatus

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Was she really on hiatus or just attached to small projects. The latter seems to be the case based on her imdb credits.4meter4 (talk) 15:03, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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Hiatus is polite for Black Listed

Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Hiatus isn't inaccurate but perhaps misleading. Forced Hiatus would be more accurate.

"With many fearing she was having a complete meltdown films distanced themselves from the star and job offers dried up."[1]

I'm a big fan of Winona (she's only a few years younger than me) and I'm grateful she was able to make a comeback! Zerostatetechnologies (talk) 11:59, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2326335/Winona-Ryder-reveals-shoplifting-arrest-saved-her.html

Winona Ryder did not graduate from Petaluma High School with a 4.0 GPA

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This false claim comes from Winona Ryder herself. She dropped out of PHS I believe in her sophomore year if I recall correctly to focus on her acting career. I was one of her classmates. If you can make an account on this site, you can view the full list of 1989 graduates as published in the local newspaper the Argus-Courier. Or search in the box for "Horowitz" and you will find she is not listed.: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/235200481/

If you review honor roll lists published in the same newspaper in the previous years, you will find she is not listed either. Hence, not only is her graduation claim false, but her claims of having a 4.0 GPA are also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.45.28.224 (talk) 23:09, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Ryder's claim needs to be verified by multiple sources. The Argus-Courier's list of 1989 graduates could be inaccurate, and may have misspelled her birth name. Also, this list may not account for early graduates or GED recipients, who often do not participate in graduation ceremonies. PHS yearbooks or an official school district record might be useful in verifying her high school graduation. Msoul13 (talk) 16:29, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2018

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She did not marry Keanu Reeves. If you read the sources it's easy to see that this is a gross misrepresentation of the sources and a violation of WP:BLP. The sources are based on a lot of unfounded speculation. I suggest completely removing that paragraph. At the very least it should be reworded to properly reflect what's in the sources. Thanks. 75.182.115.183 (talk) 20:25, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

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RfC: "Marriage" to Keanu Reeves

Overall consensus to remove Galobtter (pingó mió) 08:38, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

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Should the paragraph stating that she married Keanu Reeves be removed, modified, or unchanged? The sources are based on far-fetched speculation and a violation of WP:BLP. 75.182.115.183 (talk) 20:46, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Remove - The sources are grossly misrepresented and a violation of WP:BLP. 75.182.115.183 (talk) 20:47, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Remove - So they used a real priest to film a wedding for a movie and there are claims that this makes it a legal marriage. Maybe an interesting fact for the article on the movie, but WP:undue and unnecessary for a bio article. AIRcorn (talk) 17:21, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Modified - According to the sources cited on the Wikipedia page, Ryder "mused" about the wedding scene. So, this paragraph could be modified to "Ryder speculated that she was married to Keanu Reeves," or "Ryder quipped that she was married to Keanu Reeves," etc. Also, according to the same cited sources, Francis Ford Coppola stated that Ryder and Reeves were married "in a sense." It can be inferred that the wedding ceremony was authentic to the traditions of the Greek Orthodox religion, but if no paperwork (sacred and/or civil) was completed, then the marriage cannot be considered legally-binding. This part of the paragraph could be modified to "the wedding ceremony was conducted in a genuine manner. However, it is not clear whether the wedding was legally-binding," etc. Msoul13 (talk) 15:18, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Comment - I don't think Coppola can be considered an expert on the legality of marriages in Romania or the authenticity of anything in the Greek Orthodox Church. Just like Ryder, his comments are speculative. It makes for good sensationalistic news, but that's not appropriate for an encyclopedia that requires reliable sources. We can quote or closely paraphrase their comments, but we can't conclude that anything was done "in genuine manner." If any part of this issue remains in the article, it should be minimal, per WP:UNDUE. 173.209.178.244 (talk) 21:27, 17 September 2018 (UTC) (Full disclosure: I am the same as 75.182.115.183, editing from a different IP.)
Comment - Taking the above comment into consideration, the statements regarding Coppola could be modified as follows: "Director Francis Ford Coppola remarked that the ceremony was 'pretty authentic,' adding that Ryder and Reeves were married 'in a sense' because a priest led the ceremony. However, it is not clear from Coppola’s remarks whether the wedding was legally-binding." Msoul13 (talk) 16:20, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
Just to clarify, my suggestion above about modification of the paragraph is not an endorsement of the idea of modification. I am opposed to leaving anything about this issue in the article. I also agree with Aircorn above that it might be an interesting fact for the film article, but not the bio articles. 75.182.115.183 (talk) 01:14, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Remove - Summoned by bot. This is clearly WP:UNDUE and speculation. Meatsgains(talk) 23:48, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Remoove and don't add until it is more than mere speculation. Anatoliatheo (talk) 10:02, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Remove (Summoned by bot) Very much WP:UNDUE in a biographical article. Layzner (Talk) 10:08, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Modified (Summoned by bot) I don't see the problem but it needs to be made clearer that this was a movie wedding. Coretheapple (talk) 17:32, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Modified: If rumor, simply state such and sources. If too far-fetched even to cite as rumor, remove. The issue seems to lie in sources: treat them appropriately.Aboudaqn (talk) 14:35, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Remove (Summoned by bot) BLP vio. Thanks, L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 18:37, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Remove Listed sources say only "might be married". This is insufficient to state in wikivoice they are married. As for modifying, speculation whether someone might have married someone or not seems unencyclopedic to me. But if more sources discuss it and state as fact then re-add it. (Summoned by bot) Hrodvarsson (talk) 23:17, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
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