Talk:Wing clipping

Controversial Subject

This article needs a section dedicated to sourced reasons for (with or without regard for the health of the bird, why is this beneficial to the owner?) and against the practice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.88.210 (talk) 18:47, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Neutrality

The POV of this article seems to be against wing-clipping. -- DancingMan 10:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

POV paragraphs removed -- DancingMan 10:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I've reorganized the entire article in an attempt to separate opinion from fact and impart greater neutrality and a better appoximation of encyclopedic writing style; however, the entire article is in dire need of more citations, which I cannot provide. Rcharman 21:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe the neutrality of the article is in question. It's like trying to say the article on the sun is biased because of a "the sun is hot" statement. Facts are facts, and the fact is the bird itself does not benefit from wing clipping. The fact is clipping a wing creates dangers to the bird (ie: getting stepped on, ate by cat, or damaged blood feathers). There is just no scientific evidence to list as facts on the other side of the argument.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.73.148 (talk) 11:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

This is still a very poor artical that says what wing clipping is and then presets a list of why it is a fundamentaly bad thing. It is very poorly written and very PoV, and the idea that this is because it is because there is no reason to do it is just ridiculous. I will change it later. 86.177.82.221 (talk) 08:41, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Wing clipping

I have made a few changes to the wing-clipping pages.

As a companion parrot behaviourist using applied behaviour analysis methods, I work with many clipped and full-winged birds. A large part of the problem with this issue is due to practitioners of wing clipping having little knowledge of the birds' biology, including its innate and learnt behaviours and behavioural needs. The fact that wing-clipping is common and still done by default in some countries, is no claim to its validity or suitability and it has profound implications for bird welfare, since parrots are so long-lived. In behavioural terms, the *effects* of denying flight to a bird, are much the same as denying a dog from running or a hourse from cantering. Since birds are fundamentally flying creatures, a default postion which ensures a bird can perform most of its natural behaviours while in captivity is better able to ensure against it developing behavioural problems such as self-plucking and stereotypical behaviours. Where flying birds are taught some basic flight commands, the 'problem' of flight is not an issue. Indeed flying birds are able to behave far more naturally and are less likely to develop problem behaviours. Parrotgreg (talk) 09:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Clipping flight muscles

I had always thought that clipping birds ment clipping the flight muscle in their wings (which is different from pinioning). This still allows them to fly, but not very far. This is certainly what somebody I know did (back in the 1970s) to doves he wanted to use in his magic act. I believe the article should include mention of this meaning. (I do not condone the practice.) HairyWombat 20:02, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Neutrality/POV

This article still seems to prevent a very high-handed, narrow (based on only one or two sources), strongly POV theme as to how wing clipping is abusive and harmful to birds. Literally every single sentence that speaks to the reasons why wing-clipping is done is immediately refuted by a sentence claiming how better methods are available. Is this current consensus in avian science? If it is, we need a wider variety of sources, as currently it reads like one person's screed against the "unnatural" practice of "clipping [one's] wings" in the philosophical sense. Are there any neutrally-minded bird owners or ornithologists out there who can help out? Bravo Foxtrot (talk) 03:51, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Inappropriate scope

In addition to the dubious neutrality, this article talks exclusively about indoor pet birds like parrots. But wing-clipping is probably even more common as a technique for dealing with outdoor livestock foul like ducks and chickens. The article ought to address both fairly equally rather than going on at length about the pros and cons of clipping your parrot, without ever mentioning livestock birds. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:37DA:6690:D5B8:F6E2:8A40:B0EB (talk) 15:26, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Why?

Why would they do that to a bird? So evil! 116.96.94.128 (talk) 09:16, 30 August 2021 (UTC)