Talk:MSN Messenger

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Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2023

Make the start of the article say Windows Live Messenger (formerly knows as MSN Messenger and sometimes known simply as Messenger) AhmedEdits (talk) 09:30, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Callmemirela 🍁 10:21, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 27 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved  — Amakuru (talk) 10:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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Windows Live Messenger → MSN Messenger – Ten years after its end, I would argue that "MSN Messenger" is the appropriate title as per WP:COMMONNAME ("as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources"), as it's by far the more common name used for the program despite its latter-day renaming to "Windows Live" Messenger by Microsoft. The product hit its peak while under the former, original name. Here are some examples of recent 2020s sources which use the "MSN Messenger" name [1], [2], [3], [4]. Even news sources from 2013-14, when the product got shut down and was using the "Windows Live" Messenger name, still used its old name, e.g. [5], [6], [7]. I could scarcely find any reliable sources in the last ~10 years that used the "Windows Live" moniker as the primary title for the product. Also, the predominant colloquial name of simply "MSN" is inherently tied to the "MSN Messenger" name, and the entire Windows Live branding (of which "Windows Live" Messenger was a part) has been entirely discontinued by Microsoft. Lastly, our current article already has "MSN Messenger" as the primary name in the lede. — Crumpled Fire • contribs • 00:50, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:COMMONNAME applies when "topics have multiple names," which is not the case here. Wikipedia article names are not based on popular mistakes or nostalgia. For example, the Willis Tower article is not named Sears Tower. The rebrand is, appropriately, covered in the article. It could even be potentially expanded, but the article is in poor condition and has bigger fish to fry.--Esprit15d • talk • contribs 13:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  This topic does have multiple names, and Willis/Sears Tower is a bad analogy because it's a building in active use, whereas MSN/Windows Live Messenger is a dead computer program. Two completely different situations. O.N.R. ^(talk) 15:03, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, I agree that this case is different because unlike the Willis Tower, "Windows Live Messenger" no longer exists... and further, as mentioned, the entire Windows Live brand itself was also completely retired, whereas in contrast the name "MSN" (http://www.msn.com/) is still in use by Microsoft.— Crumpled Fire • contribs • 22:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support move. With this Messenger a decade dead, there's no longer a "current" name for it to go by, and the common name is overwhelmingly MSN. O.N.R. ^(talk) 15:02, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support. I see this as similar to the discussion at San Diego Stadium a while back. When dealing with a subject no longer in existence, we determine the WP:COMMONNAME over the course of its existence, not what it was at the date of its demise. 162 etc. (talk) 17:54, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support per others. YorkshireExpat (talk) 20:16, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Crumpled Fire, Old Naval Rooftops, and 162 etc.. Sources show that this is clearly the WP:COMMONNAME, and there is no "current" name for a discontinued online platform. Graham (talk) 00:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
• Support By far the most common name. AusLondonder (talk) 16:21, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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