Talk:William of Villehardouin/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Cplakidas (talk · contribs) 07:55, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Will review this over the following days. Constantine ✍ 07:55, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Lede

• victory near Thebes I assume the Battle of Karydi is meant here? Karydi is not near Thebes though, but a mountain north of Megara, close to Pateras.

• Done (I preferred to say Attica).

• Link Achaean fiefs to Lordship of Argos and Nauplia, a decisive defeat to Battle of Pelagonia, and seized Constantinople to Reconquest of Constantinople

• Done.

Background

• emerged on the western and eastern borderlands of the Byzantine Empire respectively have rephrased this slightly, but for the benefit of our readers, I would suggest a more precise phrasing: 'emerged in western Greece and western Anatolia respectively' or similar.

• I would prefer the present wording. Epirus included Albanian territories as well.

• they reconquered Anatolia not quite accurate, as it implies all of Anatolia, which they definitely did not; and most of the Byzantine territories were not conquered by the Franks either way. I would suggest just leaving it out.

• Done.

• 'triarchs' is not a Hebrew word, in fact it is English.

• Yes, it is clearly not a Hebrew word. I wanted to indicate its Greek origin.

The rest of the article to come later today. Constantine ✍ 07:50, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Expansion and crusade

• Have made some copyedits for style and clarity.

• Thank you for them.

• The date of the capture of Monemvasia is disputed. I suggest consulting Guillaume Saint-Guillain, The Conquest of Monemvasia by the Franks.

• I explained it in a note.

• Add a link to the Genoese occupation of Rhodes.

• Done.

War of the Euboeote Succession

• Per above, 'triarchs' is an English word and does not need italics. But for consistency I recommend using 'triarch' and 'triarchy' throughout, or the Italian terms.

• Done.

• Since there exists a main article for the topic, much of the information in the second paragraph is redundant or can be summarized.
• Longnon appears to be relying on the 'traditional' narrative according to Hopf. I recommend relying only on Setton. I am in the process of correcting/updating the main article accordingly, including Loenertz as a source.

Defeat and captivity

• the citation needed tag at a source of dubious reliability needs to be resolved

• Done.

• William not only swore fealty to Michael VIII, but also received the high title of megas domestikos. I would recommend consulting Geanakoplos' work on the issue of William's negotiations with the Byzantine emperor.

• I do not have access to Geanakoplos's work.

• @Borsoka: Please check your email. Constantine ✍ 19:30, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Conflicts with the Byzantines

• Again, for this section at least I would expect to see Geanakoplos used. Lognon as well.

• I do not have access to Geanakoplos's work. Borsoka (talk) 05:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

• I assume that William defeated the Greeks at Nikli refers to the Battle of Makryplagi?

Family

• William was also noted as a trouvère ("poet/composer"), and the Manuscrit du Roi, containing two of his own compositions, was written in Achaea during his reign this does not really belong in this section, and requires a reference.

• Done. Borsoka (talk) 06:46, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

That's it for now, will do another read-through when the above points are dealt with. Constantine ✍ 12:56, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the thorough review and also for your suggestion. I am on holiday now, so I have no access to my library. I can start addressing the issues you raised above in the weekend. Borsoka (talk) 03:02, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

@Borsoka: no worries, take your time and enjoy your vacation! Constantine ✍ 07:40, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

@Cplakidas: sorry, I have not received your email. I am thinking of withdrawing the nomination and complete the article after I seized Geanakoplos's work. It seems to be a book of high quantity and its subjects is within my area of interest. Borsoka (talk) 04:45, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Borsoka: I used the email user function, possibly the email is outdated. Please send me a current address on my email. As to the nomination, as you wish, but I have no problem with waiting a bit longer. Constantine ✍ 15:39, 13 July 2022 (UTC)