Talk:William Grey Walter

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I believe I have successfully merged this article with Grey Walter. If I have missed anything, please fix it. I have moved the content to this page because it had the more correct title.
Danny Beardsley 20:52, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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Angela, I was the author of this page as published in a magazine and the copyrights holder. Dr. Renato M.E. Sabbatini

I've restored the content. Thanks for letting me know. I hope you can appreciate that the policy of removing the content is there to protect the rights of the copyright owners. If you're happy to release this under the GFDL and you are the original author, then we welcome your contribution. Thanks! Angela 02:07, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Cheers, Renato :) Martin

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Dear MyRedDice, thanks for the superb job of joining the two articles. I am glad with the good result. I have added or modified a few things here and there, including a historical picture of Walter's 1957 toposcope. Renato Sabbatini, Nov 13 2004.

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"Intriguingly, this effect brings into question the very notion of consciousness or free will"

It would bring into question free will (motile), but would only really bring into question the physical location of consciousness processes (not consciousness itself). -- 24.16.251.40 19:49, 7 June 2006 (UTC) (Formerly 24.22.227.53)

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Clarification Please:

"One of these included, being hit meant food whilst whistling means food, and when conditioned such a whistle by itself means being hit. When he added another circuit tuned to a whistle of another pitch, this could become whistle means being hit, whistle means food, this would make the animal become "afraid" whenever food was presented. "

So... wait, what? 50.140.31.232 (talk) 07:04, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I couldn't make any sense of this either. Also, this article has no inline citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evidlo (talk • contribs) 06:39, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Edit without discussion

An editor without discussion removed my entry of a book writing of William Walter. I ask for another editor to review the changes to see if the removal is justified.--Mark v1.0 (talk) 19:07, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Walter did not carry out ECT experiments on patients, and the sources do not say this either. --Saidmann (talk) 20:56, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

I put the sentence he wrote in with the reference .--Mark v1.0 (talk) 22:43, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

The experiments referred to by William Grey Walter were on animals. You can see that from the phrase "minimum lethal dose". Such experiments on humans were not done in the UK. Your edits were in error. --Saidmann (talk) 11:37, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

How do you know it was animals? and even if it was animals he still performed experimental electroshock, so you could add "animal" before the word experiments.--Mark v1.0 (talk) 16:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

How do you know it was animals? As I said, because of "minimum lethal dose". These people did not test humans to see at which treatment parameters they died!! Animals did not receive therapy. --Saidmann (talk) 16:57, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

I found another reference for you. " in a series of over 200 patients" https://journals.lww.com/jonmd/Citation/1942/01000/THE_TREATMENT_OF_MENTAL_DISORDERS_BY_ELECTRICALLY.42.aspx --Mark v1.0 (talk) 00:00, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

These were not experiments but treatments. --Saidmann (talk) 12:24, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Brain waves section

The section titled "Brain waves" contains the following line: "Walter produced his own versions of Berger's machine with improved capabilities, which allowed it to detect a variety of brain wave types ranging from the high speed alpha waves to the slow delta waves observed during sleep."

Alpha waves are slower than beta waves, which Berger was able to detect. Delta waves are slow and high-amplitude--it seems like improvements in sample rate and sensitivity would make higher-frequency, lower-amplitude waves detectable, not delta waves. In any event, there should be citations for this so that the reader doesn't have to rely on pure logic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.195.156.85 (talk) 00:05, 14 April 2020 (UTC)