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Requested move 22 March 2020 edit

Latest comment: 4 years ago10 comments6 people in discussion

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

William Edward David Allen → Bill Allen (British politician) – WP:COMMONNAME, see for example this BBC article and this by Martin Pugh (historian). DuncanHill (talk) 15:19, 22 March 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. Jerm (talk) 19:12, 29 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Oppose. WP:COMMONNAME logic suggests actually the opposite to what you are trying to prove: see Google Books hits for William Edward David Allen and WED Allen, while the diminutive Bill is used mostly parenthetically in academic sources. --Kober^Talk 15:54, 22 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Support per nom,. His common name quite clearly is not his full name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:08, 25 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Any proof for this claim?--Kober^Talk 10:25, 27 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Can't imagine his friends walked up to him and said "Hello William Edward David"! -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:43, 27 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Well said, but since when is Wikipedia naming policy based on "his-friends-say-so" principle? --Kober^Talk 13:31, 27 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

It's not. It's based on the common name principle. Which clearly wasn't William Edward David either. But here's a concrete reference: his obituary in The Times and his article in the DNB both refer to him as W. E. D. "Bill" Allen, and the latter also refers to him as Bill Allen and Bill. Usually pretty concrete. So either the proposed title or W. E. D. Allen would be acceptable. I would also suggest Bill Allen (traveller) or Bill Allen (historian), as this is how he's referred to in these two publications rather than as a politician. -- Necrothesp (talk) 18:11, 27 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:32, 29 March 2020 (UTC)Reply
Oppose strongly. Will gladly support move towards W. E. D. Allen. Emperor of Emperors (talk) 16:32, 3 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

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