Talk:Wells curve

Latest comment: 4 years ago by Cwmhiraeth in topic Did you know nomination


Feedback from New Page Review process

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I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: This is very good. :).

-- Pingumeister(talk) 23:10, 14 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk05:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

 
Wells curve
  • ... that the Wells curve (pictured) explains the difference between respiratory droplet transmission and airborne transmission of respiratory diseases? Source: "This paradigm between droplet and airborne transmission has been underpinned by early studies by Wells, who described the settling of expelled particles as being a function of size, time and evaporation" [1]

Moved to mainspace by Rosieredfield (talk). Nominated by John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) at 21:07, 21 May 2020 (UTC).Reply

  •   GTG. New and long enough, well-written, fully referenced, & highly topical (with COVID). QPQ done. The hook could perhaps be made more accessible and/or dramatic, & its a rather dense read. Earwig finds nothing. Hook checks out. Not sure if the pic is ok for MP - scientific graph redrawn (by nom) from 1934 publication, by an author who died in 1963. I think that's ok - it's not a creative work. Johnbod (talk) 23:35, 10 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
  •   Hi, I came by to promote this, but I am having trouble finding the hook fact in the article. Could you point out the sentence to me please? It seems that an alternate hook could focus on the text in the lead on what happens to respiratory droplets once they have been exhaled into air. I also added a "citation needed" tag to one paragraph per Rule D2. Yoninah (talk) 17:11, 14 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
It seems to be in the lead to me, plus elsewhere. This isn't going to be one of those where the exact phrasing is wanted, is it? Did you ping the creator and nominator? Johnbod (talk) 01:16, 16 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I pinged everyone. If the fact is just in the lead, it needs an inline cite. The hook seems like more of an extracted fact than one actually discussed in the article. Personally, I think a more interesting (and cited) fact could be pulled from the article. Yoninah (talk) 08:00, 16 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Ok, time to hear from the creator & nom, Johnbod (talk) 13:43, 16 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • ALT1 ... that the Wells curve (pictured) explains how rapidly respiratory droplets become aerosol particles, leading to airborne transmission that can spread respiratory diseases over large distances? Source: "This paradigm between droplet and airborne transmission has been underpinned by early studies by Wells, who described the settling of expelled particles as being a function of size, time and evaporation" [2]
OK, I rewrote the hook to better capture the relevance of the article. Do I need to do anything else? Rosieredfield (talk) 02:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Refactored as alt1 to avoid confusion. 191 characters long, I make it. Johnbod (talk) 02:53, 17 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
It's important that droplet and airborne transmission are two different things, and ALT1 kind of glosses that over. Some respiratory diseases transmit readily through droplets, but poorly or not at all by the airborne route. Maybe we do need to add a sentence or two to the article to more explicitly discuss that point. John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 04:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
But the original hook is misleading, because this article isn't primarily about how respiratory diseases are transmitted. The Wells Curve itself says nothing about disease transmission - it's about the physical processes that act on droplets. My edit clarified this while still keeping the relevance to disease transmission.Rosieredfield (talk) 14:06, 17 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Well, please sort it out between you - I don't have a view. But note that the original problem was that the reviewer felt unclear what supported the hook fact, so give sources that make this super-clear, for whatever the final hook is. I'll check that when chosen. Johnbod (talk) 14:11, 17 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • How about this? ALT3: ... that the Wells curve (pictured), which describes what happens to respiratory droplets once they are exhaled, helps explain the spread of respiratory infections?
  • And I added a citation for Stokes Law.