Talk:We Continue the Change

Party name

Hi, I was wondering about what name should be used for the party.

Of course, the article is named 'We Continue the Change,' the direct translation from the Bulgarian name. This is used by several English news sources, such as the BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59302595.amp), Financial Times (https://amp.ft.com/content/6aa561c8-fba2-430e-aeba-05a7106f627a), Euro news (https://www.euronews.com/2021/11/14/bulgarian-elections-newly-formed-pp-party-neck-and-neck-with-right-wing-gerb-party) and Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/new-centrist-party-poised-win-bulgarias-election-partial-results-show-2021-11-15/)

However, other news sources give the party different names, including 'Continuing the change' from Politico (https://www.politico.eu/article/kiril-petkov-bulgaria-borissov-gerb-election/amp/), 'Change continues' from Euractiv (https://www.euractiv.com/section/elections/news/change-continues-is-the-surprise-winner-of-bulgarian-elections/) as well as a range of other translations.

As it is more widely used, 'We Continue the Change' seems to be the best one, but I recognise that arguments of using one that makes more sense in English Quinnnnnby (talk) 10:23, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

I believe, "We Continue the Change" is the best choice, as it is the best translation from Bulgarian. Also, as you say, it is more widely used, including by Bulgarian English-speaking media, BNT (Public TV), BNR (Public radio), and the Bulgarian News Agency.

I reverted the 'The change goes on' edit, because that one just doesn't make sense at all. Rubsw7 (talk) 13:26, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

We should stick with "We Continue the Change", as it seems to be by far the most commonly-used English language version of the party name; the other, lesser-used, possible names can be created as redirects.--Autospark (talk) 13:55, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

References

Party name 2

I'm sorry, but 'We continue the change' isn't even grammatical in English in this context.

'The change goes on' is the only idiomatic way I can think of putting it. 82.132.246.247 (talk) 16:46, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Anti-corruption

Anti-corruption is a major political stance in Bulgarian politics. Obviously no party campaigns for corruption, but it is well documented that the older political parties (DPS, BSP & especially GERB) have a lot of problems with corruption. Last year saw the electoral success & formation of several anti-corruption parties, and the 3 elections last year were mainly divided over anti-corrupt vs status quo rather than left vs right. PP's anti-corruption stance is a major part of its structure, policy and why it was formed. It is their major ideology. Without it, it looks like the party is just pro-European, which does not reflect its views Quinnnnnby (talk) 18:36, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I agree that "older parties" have a problem with corruption but they too deny this and claim to be against it, similarly the "anticorruption" claim, along with "pro-democracy" (as used for western backed revolutionaries who seek to overthrow an establishment) are just dog-whistles which call out to the global deep state alerting them that the "anticorruption" claimant wishes to be their client. In the end of the day, if you stamp out corruption (wich nobody has ever aspired to do), your political life continues, be you a Christian democrat, a green, a liberal, a democratic socialist, etc. But "Anticorruption" is not the name of an ideology and the articles and sources don't claim it to be. --Coldtrack (talk) 19:11, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Coldtrack The main issue I have is that anti-corruption is the main policy and focus of the party. The infobox is meant to be a simplified, standardised box that sets out all of the basic information about a party. Even if it technically doesn't come under the umbrella of an ideology, it has been described as anti-corruption in several articles (e.g. 1, 2, 3). I don't oppose adding in 'Centrism', but I don't see the harm in keeping 'anti-corruption,' as it most effectively sums up the party's platform Quinnnnnby (talk) 19:31, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

If I can be allowed to comment since I was the first to remove anti-corruption from a separate Bulgaria-related page; I appear to have triggered a chain of events here. The anti-corruption claim is fine to appear on the article, just not on "ideology" part of infobox. I don't suppose we could rework the template of the infobox to add a new bay that could be called "goals" or "stated goals". Here it would be fine to say anticorruption (or "an end to corruption"). You have these with war-related infoboxes but the layout is totally different. --Edin balgarin (talk) 19:24, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Agreed. Have a stated goals section on infobox. --Coldtrack (talk) 19:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

"We Continue the Change" is not a registered political party in Bulgaria

"We Continue the Change" is not a registered political party and their funding isn't available to the public. It has become clear that this is an opportunistic political movement funded by oligarchs with close ties to Vladimir Putin. 68.70.59.126 (talk) 12:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:07, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

“We Continue The Change” is not a registered political party in Bulgaria

“We Continue The Change” is not a registered political party and their funding isn’t available to the public. It has become clearer that this movement is funded by oligarchs with close ties to Vladimir Putin. 24.59.251.207 (talk) 19:44, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Party & coalition

Considering 'We Continue the Change' has been founded as a separate party, would it be worth creating two pages: 'We Continue the Change (coalition)' and 'We Continue the Change (party)'? This would allow for differentiation between the two organisations, though I fear it could be confusing. Any thoughts? Quinby (talk) 09:09, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

support the coalition was in fact just a pseudo coalition for PP from the very start Braganza (talk) 05:32, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Question, before we go further – are these two separate but overlapping organisations (e.g. European People's Party compared to the European People's Party group), or was it an alliance/coalition that has since become an organised political party (e.g. Democratic Left Alliance, Democracy is Freedom, Syriza, etc)?--Autospark (talk) 14:58, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

in bulgaria parties are hard to register thats why sometimes parties use already existing parties (similarly in Israel: New Right/Yamina is legally called "Tzalash")

another example: Bulgarian National Unification was the mandate carrier of Bulgarian Summer in the April election but 100% of the candidates came from Bulgarian Summer despite the list was called "Bulgarian National Unification"

The coalition We Continue the Change is legally a coalition out of Volt, SEK and PDS but despite this the former two parties only got 6/67 seats combined, PDS didnt even got a single one. These seats were/are just gifts by Petkov & Vasilev so they can ran. Thats the reason why both organizations (party & coalition) share the name + ideology + logo + leaders cause they're de facto the same Braganza (talk) 15:10, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I have to admit, from that information, my preference currently leans towards creating a single article for both the coalition and party.--Autospark (talk) 15:41, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

• I'd prefer if we create a disambiguation page for We Continue the Change and move this article to "We Continue the Change (alliance)". --Vacant0 (talk) 21:00, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

• So @Quinnnnnby, Panam2014, and Autospark: & me supporting it, @Vacant0: opposed; i will wait until weekend and maybe merge (also Bulgarian Rise has just a single article and it is the same situation) Braganza (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

  @Braganza We are going to need a pretty major re-work of the pages if we are to merge them, because as of now I believe every party but Volt has left the PP electoral coalition Quinby (talk) 21:30, 5 October 2022 (UTC)