Talk:Waste management in Australia

Please look at the guidelines for a lead section, this lead is too long and needs to provide a short overview of the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section--Carrolquadrio (talk) 01:06, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

page views

Is it normal that 0 page views are recorded so far? 江波 ~ quellatizia (talk) 09:02, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Give it some time. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:32, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

but only my visits should count at least 10 visits (today)... And I am pretty sure that all the editors that contributed to it today visited it at least once (?) 江波 ~ quellatizia (talk) 15:48, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Quellatizia, the statistics may need some time to be generated. Just wait for them. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:48, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

ok

HTTP 404

It's the second time that I end up with "publish changes" --> HTTP 404 Why is that? What can I do? Can I scream?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Quellatizia (talk • contribs) 15:16, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Quellatizia, you may need to try bypassing your cache or using a different browser. Screaming is unlikely to achieve the same result. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:31, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

uhm it does not work. i guess i just wasted 3 hours of my life. cool. 江波 ~ quellatizia (talk) 16:25, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Quellatizia, that's sad to hear. To avoid such an issue, it can help to save the page ("Publish changes...") once in a while, during the work. Drafting three hours of work only in your browser window, subject to possible computer crashes and browser malfunctions, is risky. This advice applies to pretty much every document, not only on the Internet. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:47, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

it is .-.

improvements

Hello ToBeFree AussieLegendAdam9007CASSIOPEIACarrolquadrio, I am currently working on adding facts as data and graphics and review a couple of sections for the writing style. I will finish with the shortening of the leading section. I am not sure how to proceed with the categories (there is currently a template requesting additional ones), because I don't know what other categories might be added. Is there anything else that has to be reviewed before moving the article to the mainspace? Thank you for your support! 江波 ~ quellatizia (talk) 05:14, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

@Quellatizia: Greeting. I have removed the cat tag as there have 4 cats there now. I also removed the external links except one - Pls see [[WP:ELMIN]. If you want to subsitute another external link from the existing one, you are welcome to do so. Cheer. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 07:01, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Quellatizia, The article's already in mainspace. It was moved there when it passed AfC. Adam9007 (talk) 14:42, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

...okay. Just a thing: I have no idea what kind of navigation template I could add (since not every section and info have an article yet), and also for infoboxes I don't know what I should inlcude from this article. What do you reckon? 江波 ~ quellatizia (talk) 21:15, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Table and figure numbers

Table and Figures appear to be numbered (eg "Fig 1"), which will be a problem to maintain. I was just going to delete the numbers, but I see that they are referenced in the text. I'm sure there has to be better way, but I don't know off the top of my head what it is. Can we auto-number and link tables and images? Mitch Ames (talk) 08:49, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

I think that having numbered pictures is better, but I see your point and still I don't actually know about a proper method to do that. 江波 ~ quellatizia (talk) 12:16, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

@Mitch Ames: Manual numbering does not work in a collaborative environment where anyone can add/remove/reorder material and most will not bother to carefully renumber everything. In Wikipedia we aim to caption images etc meaningfully so the reader understands what they represent in terms of the article content. For example, the waste hierarchy figure doesn't really need any numbering. It's captioned as waste hierarchy which makes makes it obvious that it relates to the waste hierarchy being discussed in the text. If it is necessary to refer to an image/table in the text, instead of saying "automatic procedures (Vid 1)", I'd drop the numbering and say "automatic procedures (see video on Waste sorting)." Kerry (talk) 07:48, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

This may not be the traditional academic way, but academic papers are written by an individual or a tight-knit research team and, once completed, remain unchanged. Wikipedia's collaboration is much looser (most contributors to the same article do not know each other) and an article can always be changed to reflect new information. So some aspects of the academic paper must don't work in Wikipedia. Kerry (talk) 07:52, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

makes sense, thanks 江波 ~ quellatizia (talk) 13:19, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

error 64, references

the reference <South Australia's waste and resource recovery infrastructure plan> shows the error named:"64" defined multiple times with different content. I went trough the help page but i can t figure out how I am supposed to solve it. any idea? 江波 ~ quellatizia (talk) 12:16, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

The method that you've used for naming is a little bit confusing. The reference is named "64" but aopears as reference 137, and will change if you add or remove references. You can give references names, such as "SARecycling". Your numbering has indeed resulted in the reference having different content, once as:

<ref name=":64">{{Cite book|url=https://www.greenindustries.sa.gov.au/SArecycling|title=South Australia's waste and resource recovery infrastructure plan|last=|first=|publisher=Green Industries SA|year=2018|isbn=978-1-921114-24-3|location=Adelaide, South Australia|pages=}}</ref>

and once as:

<ref name=":64">{{Cite book|url=https://www.sustainability.vic.gov.au/-/media/resources/documents/publications-and-research/research/market-analysis/market-analysis-refuse-derived-fuel-sept-2014.pdf?la=en|title=Market summary – refuse-derived fuel|last=|first=|publisher=Sustainability Victoria|year=2014|isbn=|location=|pages=}}</ref>

You could call the first one "SARecycling" and the second "Sustainability Victoria". --AussieLegend (✉) 16:17, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

but... It should be an automatic process, isn't it? I haven't named those references myself 江波 ~ quellatizia (talk) 21:17, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Normally naming is manual, unless you use an automated process which shouldn't stuff it up. --AussieLegend (✉) 22:21, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

@AussieLegend: Quellatizia is using the Visual Editor which numbers citations automatically and, as it has a "Cite > Reuse" command which allows the user to reuse a citation by selecting it from a drop-down list (which can be limited with the use of keywords), the design thinking was that VE users did not need to name citations manually. It's just unfortunate that the error message doesn't consider the VE users when reporting it, by providing more information so they can better identify the citations with the same number. Now it isn't possible in the Visual Editor to create a situation where two citations have the same reference number, so someone other than Quellatizia caused the problem using the source editor and the culprit appears to be the AnomieBOT with this edit Kerry (talk) 08:06, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

No, it's wasn't the AnomieBOT. The problem was present before that. Whatever ... it's fixed now. Kerry (talk) 08:10, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Ahh, bad old visual editor. I never use it myself and spend ridiculous amounts of time fixing errors it introduces into TV articles. It's right up there with Windows Vista, 8 and 10 (Windows 9 is much better) on my "things I refuse to use" list. Anyway, VE explains the confusion that I've had trying to fix some of the errors here. --AussieLegend (✉) 08:20, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

thanks guys! (feeling pretty noob here) 江波 ~ quellatizia (talk) 13:15, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Dark Emu

The sources used to contend that Indigenous Australians had a nomadic lifestyle are fairly old. A more recent work, Dark Emu by Bruce Pascoe, [1] argues that Indigenous peoples farmed Australia. --122.108.141.214 (talk) 07:28, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

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• City of Wagga Wagga - 240L FOGO, 240L Recycling and 140L general waste bins.jpg

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• Note, the deletion nomination was made by an anonymous vandal. --AussieLegend (✉) 18:00, 17 May 2020 (UTC)