Talk:Walter Nowotny/GA1

GA Review

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Hi! I have elected to review this article against the Good article criteria, and should have my initial comments posted up within the next hour. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 23:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I have now completed reviewing this article against the criteria and am placing it on hold pending some concerns outlined below. Overall, however, this is a very good article and only has a few points that need to be addressed before I pass it. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 23:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   In most cases during the article, the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross and its variants are referred to in their German name. However, the award of Nowotny's Knight's Cross is in English. For consistancy, this should be in German or all in English. done Should be all in German now MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:12, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   "Nowotny shot down a further five aircraft on a single day and seven (48th – 54th victories) on 2 August." - this sentence should probably be clarified further with the inclusion of the date in which the five were shot down. done MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   "With Richter, Nowotny claimed his final aerial victories on the Eastern Front on 15 November 1943." - Would it be possible to clarify how many victories this included? done According to Werner Held, Nowotny claimed two on 15 November 1943 MisterBee1966 (talk) 19:23, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   "which included the presentation of the Knight's Cross of the War Merit Cross to the railroad engineer Kindervater on 7 December 1943" - this sentence needs to be clarified. What/who was Kindervater? done "August Kindervater" was a person. Please check if this is clear now MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:22, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   Yep, all good here now. The confusion mainly lay with Kindervater. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 09:35, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   "Two Rotten of Me 262 were prepared for take-off, Erich Büttner and Franz Schall at Hesepe, and Nowotny and Günther Wegmann at Achmer." - What is/was Rotten? Also, you mention two were prepared to take off, but mention four men.

   Hi Bryce, sorry to butt in but you probably noticed I was copyediting and peer reviewing... I think the second part, confusion over the 2 or 4 men, should now be pretty well resolved in the text - see what you both think. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:53, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   Indeed this looks good now. MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   Hi Ian, I had noticed your copy-edit; good job. However, I am still a little confused with this sentence. I'm still unsure what Rotten is/was (I assume MisterBee can help in this area?), and the mention of "Two Rotten of Me 262" then the names of four men is slightly confusing. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 09:35, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   The term Rotte is defined here Organization of the Luftwaffe during World War II. Please check footnote of the article. It refers to a fighter aircraft combat formation (2 planes) used by the Luftwaffe. MisterBee1966 (talk) 12:01, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

   Ah, okay. The wikilink makes this clear now. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 21:11, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Well, any and all of my comments have been addressed and I am now satisfied that this article safely meets the Good article criteria, so I am passing it as such. Congratulations and well done! Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 21:11, 17 February 2009 (UTC)