Talk:WINC (AM)/GA1

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Reviewer: Secret (talk · contribs) 14:45, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing the article this week per request. Secret ^account 14:45, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks! I have watchlisted this page and will keep an eye on it. Again, thank you. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 14:52, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Will jot some notes below Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:38, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• Apologizes for the slowness of my replies. Real life beckoned, but I am online now. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 18:51, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Right, I copyedited the lead - is that ok?

Yeah, looks fine. Actually, I liked how you combined the Lewis Family part with the 2007 sale. - NH

On June 26, 1941, WINC aired programming for the first time - odd phrasing, why not was "on air" or "began broadcasting"

I was trying to change up the language as I was using the same terms over and over. I can use "began broadcasting for the first time". - NH

Yes this can be tricky....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:02, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Its frequency was AM 1400, not the originally-planned AM 1370, becoming Winchester's first radio station. - odd construction - makes it sound like it wouldn't have been Winchester's first radio station if it were at AM 1370...? Maybe attach the fact about becoming Winchester's first radio station onto the sentence before?

I can switch this up. It would still have become the first station in Winchester, just on a different frequency. Why it didn't make it onto AM1370 as planned is still unclear. - NH

The same year, WINC hired on C. Leslie Golliday - a typo? "The same year, WINC hired C. Leslie Golliday"...or..."The same year, WINC hired one C. Leslie Golliday"?

I was trying to switch up the language here too. Tried a more conversational tone for that sentence. I can take out the "on". - NH

Yeah, I think that is best. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:02, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I combined some stubby paragraphs - have a look through as there are alot of events ("In 19xx, this happened. In 19xy that happened") - see if you can emebellish some of the stories - doesn't need much, only an extra sentence here and there to give it a bit more colour.

I wish I could, I really do, but what I have is what is available. Unfortunately, the majority of the history of WINC was lost when Richard Lewis, Jr. passed away. He never really wrote the history of WINC down anywhere, so alot of the backstory of the station was lost with him. Philip Whitney did his best over the years but, as he put it, his "memory isn't what is used to be". Most of Whitney's history was written down for the local library in 1997 for the station's 50th anniversary. The rest is from broadcasting yearbooks and magazines. - NH

I did change up a few sentences that just didn't sound right, plus I combined a "stubby paragraph". - NH

Hmm, what I mean was not adding new facts but if there was any more information about any of the existing events? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:25, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. I wish there was more information the celebs that were on WINC. I would love to know what President Johnson, Bob Hope, Bing Crosby and others talked about. But that information is either not on paper or lost to time. There are a couple bits of information from WWII that I can't add due to lack of additional information. There was a POW camp for German soldiers across the street from WINC (which is now an elementary school). I can't find an additional source for this, like from the US Government. All I have is from the WINC history that Whitney wrote back in '97. I didn't think that was enough for a source. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:12, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Okay - yeah I know it is frustrating when you can't find stuff...okay. Let me check sources etc. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:56, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I was hoping the local library would have more information, and while I did find some information I didn't have, it was still lacking in secondary sources and addition information. But, that's what happens in the library archives. :)

On the sources, you might notice that the newstalk1400winc.com website shows up as "Redirect preserves id number" in CheckLinks. For some reason that shows up even though the link doesn't change or redirect when you click on it. I'm unsure why this happens and have just disregarded it. The station's Facebook page shows up as "Changes scheme from http to https", this is because I didn't use the "https" URL in the link. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 08:40, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Just looking at footnotes 1 and 11, I can see the facts they're citing - all good except I can't see in either that WINC is Winchester's first station....?

Took a couple but I did find a source for this from the local newspaper. - NH

footnote 56 date should be 1977 not 1971 (?)

The radio industry magazine the source came from is from May 31, 1971, though the license renewal took place on May 14. The FCC was slow on releasing what they had done, hence the date difference.

Aaah Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:34, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

One last question - does it have any affiliate stations/stablemates under its owner?

Here we call them sister stations and those are WINC-FM, WXBN, and WZFC. Now, the station does not feed any of it's programming to these stations, it is just owned by the same company as the others. WINC receives programming from other sources (all satellite, except for local newsbreaks) but does not broadcast it's programming to other stations. - NH

So they don't cross-advertise or swap radio stars or anything - and for all intents and purposes are considered separate? I wonder whether it is worth a single line in the body of the text in where ownership is discussed as the parent company has no article. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:34, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

You do sometimes hear folks from WINC doing ads on WINC-FM or vice versa, same with WXBN/WZFC. As for DJs, no, WINC airs syndicated talk shows (ie: Rush Limbaugh, etc.), while WINC-FM plays pop music (think Adele, Justin Beiber and the like), and WXBN/WZFC play country music (while simulcasting each other). The news staff is heard on all four stations, though.

In the lede (first paragraph, last sentence), I have "WINC is owned and operated by Centennial Broadcasting." and (in the second paragraph, second sentence), I have "until sold to North Carolina-based Centennial Broadcasting in 2007.". I also have good bit about the company in the WINC_(AM)#Sale section. More could be added though.

As for it's own page, I could create one, I just wasn't a company that owned just six stations would be notable. - NH

I created an article for Centennial Broadcasting‎, which I think is pretty good. Just FYI. - NH

Note: I am heading to bed, but will respond to all posts in about 10-12 hours (due to insomnia). - Neutralhomer • Talk • 18:21, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Ok - if they do do some cross-advertising and sharing of news, I think that it is worth briefly noting which stations are co-owned by Centennial in half a sentence strike that - silly me - I see you already have it in the sale. Okay we're done now. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:33, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

1. Well written?:

Prose quality: - given the nature of the subject matter above and limitations of material, I reckon it's okay.

Manual of Style compliance:

2. Factually accurate and verifiable?:

References to sources: just checking some sources. one tiny query above

Citations to reliable sources, where required:

No original research: just checking some sources.

3. Broad in coverage?:

Major aspects:

Focused:

4. Reflects a neutral point of view?:

Fair representation without bias:

5. Reasonably stable?

No edit wars, etc. (Vandalism does not count against GA):

6. Illustrated by images, when possible and appropriate?:

Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

Overall:

Pass or Fail: - looks ok, just pending some sourcing checks. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:52, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• Excellent! Thank you for your help on this GA. I greatly appreciate it. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 06:31, 11 April 2014 (UTC)