Talk:Volleyball at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Men's qualification

Move request

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: pages moved. Rough consensus that this is an improvement. The issue of the dash is a wider one and can be pursued independently if desired. Andrewa (talk) 06:42, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

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• Volleyball at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Men's tournament qualification → Volleyball at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Men's qualification
• Volleyball at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Women's tournament qualification → Volleyball at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Women's qualification

– These page names are a bit over the top in my view. The only qualification there is, is to the tournaments. HandsomeFella (talk) 20:24, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose both present title and proposed title. This spaced en dash is not used in a standard way recommended in WP:DASH (part of WP:MOS); and similarly for the capitalisation. Such an irregular en dash can be misread, or at least it can delay comprehension because it looks as if it indicates a range or a relationship between two equal items. I would prefer some alternative like Volleyball at the 2012 Summer Olympics: men's qualification. What are the relevant naming conventions? I see that there are several articles using a similar style to that proposed here, like Tennis at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Qualification.
  This RM should perhaps be withdrawn, so that a multiple one can be substituted to capture closely related articles like this one: Volleyball at the 2012 Summer Olympics – Women's tournament European qualification. See this comprehensive search on intitle:2012 intitle:summer intitle:olympics intitle:qualification. Noetica^Tea? 00:10, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Using an en dash like this is perfectly acceptable; see WP:DASH, which states en dashes can be used to "mark divisions within a sentence [...] or singly (perhaps instead of a colon)". This is the de facto naming convention for all multi-national sports tournaments that use sub-articles qualifying, group stages, finals, etc. If you want to change this, I would suggest starting a big RfC because there are thousands of sports articles that use an en dash like this. Jenks24 (talk) 05:41, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

WP:DASH allows en dashes as sentence punctuation within a sentence; in that role, an em dash (unspaced) could equally have been used. Do you argue that this is such a context? It is not, I say. A title is not normally a sentence, and the present title is surely not. This is more like a subtitle, for which a colon is standardly used. I ask again: What are the relevant naming conventions? Noetica^Tea? 06:55, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm saying I don't think there are any codified naming conventions for articles such as this. But there are literally thousands (maybe tens of thousands) of articles that use an en dash in this manner. Seriously, look for any sub-articles to do with multi-national sports events and this is how it's done. Personally, I don't think there is any real difference between using a colon or en dash in this situation, but if you do think that's a better idea, one lonely article talk page is not the place to discuss it. Jenks24 (talk) 07:06, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

• Support The current title is unnecessarily too long. Mohsen1248 (talk) 00:29, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
• Support per nom and Mohsen. Jenks24 (talk) 05:41, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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Pool standing procedure

Does someone know about Pool standing procedure in Tournament 1? What is the Formula?--YOSHImitsu 07:09, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Points >> wins >> sets ratio >> points ratio. 189.19.113.90 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:20, 10 June 2012 (UTC)