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Referring to the (as of writing) last paragraph, the exact origin of the term cisgender is under dispute, with varying reliable sources referring to a different conclusion than that reached in this article, namely the popular ascription of the term to biologist Dana Leland Defosse in a Usenet post on alt.transgendered.^[1]^[2]^[3] I would also like to mention that the Wikipedia article cisgender does a fine job in its history section of covering at least two origin stories with emphasis on the Usenet post's veracity, a resource that editors might wish to refer to in relation to this article for consistency purposes. Sigusch's claim is mentioned in cisgender with the qualifier of his using the neologism "cissexual," though similarly lacks the citation to the essay he refers to in the cited paper. This newsgroup post is dated 1994, whereas the claimed article (as of writing uncited; untranslated copies might exist online) by Sigusch is dated 1991.

This is of dubious relevance to begin with, though it does bear some importance in discussing who the term was coined by and for what purpose, as a researcher posting on a Usenet group might create a term for a different immediate purpose than an established sexologist. This is to say that context matters in the creation of a term, so I find that the relevance stands. However, we might wish to refer a broader scope than the 1990s in determining the origin: a 1914 book by sexologist Ernst Buchard, Lexikon des gesamten Sexuallebens, coins the term cisvestitismus (cisvestism) to refer to wearing clothing appropriate to the wearer's sex specifically to contrast transvestitismus (transvestism), a term that refers to wearing clothing traditionally worn by the opposite sex of the wearer.^[4] This isn't exactly "cisgender," but it is a forebearing use of the prefix cis- in reference to "one's own sex" from the Latin ("on this side") as opposed to trans- ("on the other side", "across").^[5]

As multiple sources seem to acknowledge dispute, I would recommend toning down the language to qualify Sigusch's claim as one of a few potential origins of the term rather than giving him absolute coining status of a technically different term. Given how the Wikipedia article transgender refers to two different individuals as having coined the terms "transsexual" and "transgender," it is reasonable to assume that WP prefers details over generalizations on this topic (in general, even). In fact, psychiatrist John Oliven, who is accepted to have coined the term "transgender," argues that "transsexualism" is misleading in that transvestism has little to do with sexuality.^[6] Extrapolating this, one could similarly reason that sexuality is not a major factor of cisvestism, and thus for "cissexual" to be conflated with "cisgender" appears inconsistent and dubious. However, for purely encyclopedic reasons, this argument can be condensed to acknowledging the array of claims and providing proper qualifiers to each. I argue that this article currently does not. Substantial edits to cisgender to reflect any substantiated edit on this article should occur per consensus on that article's talk page.

As an addendum, this article seriously needs more references for verifiability.

--ReptileDuck (talk) 08:44, 6 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

References

^ Brydum, Sunnivie (July 31, 2015). "The True Meaning of the Word 'Cisgender'". Advocate. Retrieved 6 January 2022. "The term is typically credited to biologist Dana Leland Defosse, who used 'cisgender' in 1994," explains Rawson.
^ Dame, Avery (May 22, 2017). "Tracing Terminology". Perspectives on History. American Historical Association. Retrieved 6 January 2022. The OED [Oxford English Dictionary] officially cites a 1994 post to the Usenet newsgroup alt.transgendered by user Dana Leland Defosse as the term's origin.
^ Valens, Ana (February 13, 2018). "A guide to understanding cisgender privilege". daily dot. Retrieved 6 January 2022. The word "cisgender" comes from Volkmar Sigusch, a German sexologist who coined the term "cissexual" in the 1990s for his work on transgender experiences. The word later transformed from "cissexual" to "cisgender" in everyday usage
^ Williams, Cristan (August 9, 2013). "So, I hear trans people recently invented this whole cis/trans thing…". Retrieved 6 January 2022.
^ "trans". Merriam-Webster. Retrieved 6 January 2022.
^ Oliven, John F. (1965). Sexual Hygiene and Pathology: A Manual for the Physician and the Professions. Lippincott. Where the compulsive urge reaches beyond female vestments, and becomes an urge for gender ("sex") change, transvestism becomes "transsexualism." The term is misleading; actually, "transgenderism" is what is meant, because sexuality is not a major factor in primary transvestism. Psychologically, the transsexual often differs from the simple cross-dresser; he is conscious at all times of a strong desire to be a woman, and the urge can be truly consuming.

Please translate edit

Latest comment: 2 months ago4 comments4 people in discussion

As this is the English Wikipedia, it would be extremely helpful if someone fluent in the language would translate all of the titles of this person's works into English. I am not that person :) cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 21:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

26.05.2023

Magnus Hirschfeld's term "cisvetitismus" describes a sexual fetish in which an individual dresses as someone of a different class, age or ethnic group but as the same sex that they already are.

"Cisvestitismus, die Neigung, die Kleidung einer anderen Altersstufe, Volks- oder Berufsklasse des gleichen Geschlechts zum Zwecke sexueller Entspannung anzulegen, dem Transvestitismus verwandt."

Translation: "Cisvestitism, the tendency to put on the clothes of another age, ethnic, or occupational class of the same sex for the purpose of sexual relaxation, related to transvestitism."

Note: Volkmar Sigusch is the first to use the term "Zisgender", now known as cisgender. The German version of this article correctly attributes the creation of this term to him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2455:CD7:A500:1157:F5BE:8E37:915E (talk) 18:00, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply

No, Volkmar Sigusch never once used the term "zisgender". In fact, such a term does not seem to have ever existed before 2015 at the earliest.

The term Sigusch claims to have mentioned is "zissexuell" which he claims was coined in 1991, but I cannot find any access to this supposed article of his in either English or German, so I will take that with a grain of salt. Sparkveela (talk) 15:56, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Links 1 and 2 are broken and I can find no other reference supporting them. 2603:6010:2100:3B58:6C24:FA7A:E5B0:6D16 (talk) 02:40, 10 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Links broken edit

Latest comment: 2 months ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Both link 1 and 2 are broken and I can not find any other relevant sources to back up those claims 2603:6010:2100:3B58:6C24:FA7A:E5B0:6D16 (talk) 02:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

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[1] Brydum, Sunnivie (July 31, 2015). "The True Meaning of the Word 'Cisgender'". Advocate. Retrieved 6 January 2022. "The term is typically credited to biologist Dana Leland Defosse, who used 'cisgender' in 1994," explains Rawson.

[2] Dame, Avery (May 22, 2017). "Tracing Terminology". Perspectives on History. American Historical Association. Retrieved 6 January 2022. The OED [Oxford English Dictionary] officially cites a 1994 post to the Usenet newsgroup alt.transgendered by user Dana Leland Defosse as the term's origin.

[3] Valens, Ana (February 13, 2018). "A guide to understanding cisgender privilege". daily dot. Retrieved 6 January 2022. The word "cisgender" comes from Volkmar Sigusch, a German sexologist who coined the term "cissexual" in the 1990s for his work on transgender experiences. The word later transformed from "cissexual" to "cisgender" in everyday usage

[4] Williams, Cristan (August 9, 2013). "So, I hear trans people recently invented this whole cis/trans thing…". Retrieved 6 January 2022.

[5] "trans". Merriam-Webster. Retrieved 6 January 2022.

[6] Oliven, John F. (1965). Sexual Hygiene and Pathology: A Manual for the Physician and the Professions. Lippincott. Where the compulsive urge reaches beyond female vestments, and becomes an urge for gender ("sex") change, transvestism becomes "transsexualism." The term is misleading; actually, "transgenderism" is what is meant, because sexuality is not a major factor in primary transvestism. Psychologically, the transsexual often differs from the simple cross-dresser; he is conscious at all times of a strong desire to be a woman, and the urge can be truly consuming.

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