Talk:Visigothic Kingdom

Gothic language??

The Visigoths spoke Latin during in that age (Visigothic Kingdom of Hispania).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Infinauta (talk • contribs) 02:51, 22 November 2008 (UTC) 

Not true. The nobility retained the use of the Gothic tongue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.250.135.238 (talk) 04:32, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

The Visigoth Kingdom lasted for several centuries, and impacted deeply in Spain (even the idea of Spain comes from this period). In spite of this, there are very few words of Germanic (ancient) origin in Spanish. It seems that when they came, they were totally or nearly totally latinized. Xareu bs (talk) 17:22, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Presence of pagans in the Visigothic Kingdom

There were also pagans in the Visigothic Kingdom, not just Arians, Catholics and Jews. During the 5th and 6th centuries, paganism kept being followed by a large part of the population in rural areas. Many Christians pretended to be such while continuing Pagan practices (see St Martin of Braga, De Correctione Rusticorum). Writing in the mid-6th century, Martin of Braga found the Christians in Galicia, a region ruled by the Christian Germanic Sueve between 411 and 584, still observing pagan rites. Galicians, wrote Martin of Braga, "wasted time in the pagan fashion" and wreathed their houses in laurel and green branches. At a regional council in 590, bishops condemned the popular custom of holidaying on Thursdays in honour of Jupiter. The Toledan Council of 693 ordered that offerings made to sacred trees, springs, and stones must be brought to local churches where they would be exposed as blasphemous superstition before the people. The Asiatic Taifals, subjects of the Visigoths of Toulouse, were probably pagans like other nomad tribes (Alans).

Capital

What is the capital of the Visigothic Kingdom from 507 to the 550s/560s (reign of Athanagild) ? Narbonne ? Barcelona ? Mérida ? Seville ? Cordoba ? 88.178.38.7 (talk) 16:33, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

The Muslim invasion succeeded because the Visigoths were decentralised: it might not be quite so appropriate to talk of a capital in the modern sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.250.135.238 (talk) 04:33, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Other topics

this article doesn't seem to have much info on such topics as the economy, culture, etc. Are these covered elsewhere and I'm just missing the link? Peter Flass (talk) 18:28, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Peter,

I agree it is more about the battle timeline. i am a new editor so not prepared to do major edits. Thanks, Terry Tmarac (talk) 13:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Judaism

Why is judaism mentioned as one of the religions? No source is cited and the article doesn't mention anything about it. Alepik (talk) 16:48, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, Judaism certainly existed in Iberia, as the Inquisition would expel Jews as well as Muslims. But there definitely needs to be a source here.--¿3family6 _contribs 20:23, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Just to point you a little further, the Jewish presence was diasporrhic, and so possibly predates recorded history. See History of the Jews in Spain — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.250.135.238 (talk) 04:37, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

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List of Kings

The list of kings in the summary block is incomplete. While there were many short-lived kings that may be omitted to simplify the list, several major kings are missing. The list should include at least those kings mentioned in the body of the article, such as Chindaswinth (642-653). Eni2dad (talk) 06:18, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Should Kingdom be in lower case?

See revert of my edit: [1]. See also here: Visigoths#Visigothic kingdom. I do not really care to much about these pages or if they all use the correct spelling (to edit war on it..). There seems there should be one rule (used consistetly between pages). You can duel it out.. :) comp.arch (talk) 10:42, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

List of Visigothic Kings

I came across this new article while fixing errors, and thought it might be of interest to anyone watching this article. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 13:13, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

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Error for Theodoric the Great.

Theodoic the Great was a king of Ostrogoths (474-526) but no king of Visigoths. He was only the guardian for his grandson Amalaric, king of Visigoths for 511 to 531, during his minority. Pharnawas (talk) 22:24, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

WP:CONSPLIT suggestion

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Consensus not to split the article. There was a suggestion to merge with Visigoths; if anyone wants to go forward with that as a proposal then WP:MERGEPROP has the instructions Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 08:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

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This page appears to unduly conflate two fairly distinct chapters of Visigothic history, that of the Visigothic Kingdom of Tolouse, or Visigothic Aquitaine, and the Visigothic Kingdom of Toledo, better known as Visigothic Spain. Given that the Kingdom of Tolouse essentially crumbled in 508 (see [2], [3], etc.), with its royal line ending and the Ostrogothic king Theodoric the Great taking the reigns in Spain, it is a bit dubious to treat it all as a continuum. I propose covering these two distinct chapters on separate pages. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:58, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. I don't see any evidence of conflation here. What we have is a Visigothic dynasty that expanded into Spain from its base in Tolouse, then lost Tolouse and was limited to its Spanish possessions (and just to be clear, we're using "Spain" and "Spanish" purely from a point of geographic convenience here, not due to any cultural distinction among the Visigoths). I think that readers would expect to see them treated together. We don't even have two dynasties here: the Visigothic heir married Theodoric's daughter, but was not deposed, and his heirs continued to rule the Visigothic kingdom. Lastly, the whole section on the Kingdom of Tolouse, at least under "history", is just three paragraphs (perhaps the first one ought to be split once or twice, as it's rather long), which is by no means unwieldy as a section or subsection of this article. You could certainly make the argument that the Kingdom of Tolouse is worth having a separate article, and I can see no objection to starting one, if it is likely to be expanded beyond what is presently in this article. However, I can see no advantage to removing what is currently said about it here in order to do so; it appears to be a necessary part of this article. So splitting the article is not justified, even though it may be feasible to begin a separate article covering just that topic. P Aculeius (talk) 14:46, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• My first impression is that this is not a good idea, at least at this stage. (1) This article is not too big. (2) There is genuine continuity between the two periods and regions and that would need to be explained in both articles, creating substantial overlap, and making it harder for editors and readers.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 15:45, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• Looking at related articles it might actually make more sense to MERGE this one and Visigoths. I notice that there is an almost total overlap. The Visigoths did not really exist before they came to be ruled under a king. --Andrew Lancaster (talk) 08:10, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

  I agree. I kept forgetting as I read that it wasn't the general Visigoth article. 2606:6000:DFC0:1B:1C2F:5361:D4BB:BA63 (talk) 18:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The Distinctive Visigothic Architecture: No Mention?

I learned about the "Visigodos" by traveling around Spain and reading history and art history books, often supplied by instructors, as I went. The most--I'm tempted to say 'only'--physically visible Visigothic heritage is in buildings, not many. No mention yet of this in the part on culture? These buildings, called crude by some I travelled with, were architecturally simple, direct, effective, and even touching to me. I'm no Catholic but these religious remnants of the end of the Roman Empire are such a testament to an ancient people's will to build simply but solidly, and to worship. So much so that I've never really stopped going back to these monuments of "los Visigodos." The Visigoths Became Spain, so much of their leavings are not to be noticed, not distinct but part of the warp and woof of the peninsula. Anyone feel like pitching in to cover this touching and most long-lasting of Visigothic heritages? Alan from Tucson sorry I didn't sign in. 2606:6000:DFC0:1B:1C2F:5361:D4BB:BA63 (talk) 18:09, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

After 711

“the Visigothic population, who had fled from the Muslims and taken refuge in Asturias, where they joined Pelagius.”

is inaccurate because there was not a widespread migration under Muslim hegemony. Tmarac (talk) 13:52, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

inaccurate statements

The statement "by the Visigothic population, who had fled from the Muslims and taken refuge in Asturias, where they joined Pelagius." is misleading because the whole population certainly did not flee. See historians Roger Collins and Jamie Wood. Tmarac (talk) 13:44, 24 February 2024 (UTC)