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Latest comment: 4 days ago by Twofortnights in topic Citation needed to explain what a visa is
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Latest comment: 7 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

What is the reasoning of mentioning G8? It seems redundant and doesn't seem notable. It is like saying country x, y, z have visa free to Visegrád Group, or country x,y,z has visa free to Mercosur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:8000:D84F:F031:F80E:9FA7:30B9 (talk) 04:02, 20 December 2016 (UTC)Reply

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@BushelCandle +Twofortnights, the problem with the Israeli stamps us that them seem to target specific type of countries: East Asian/West Pacific [China, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea (South), Philippines, San Marino, and Thailand], major historically-Catholic countries [Andorra, Brazil, France, Hungary, Mexico, Monaco, Poland, Portugal, and Spain], and some random set of countries [Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Norway, and Serbia]. It explicitly excludes most Anglophone countries except Australia and New Zealand, African countries, Carribean countries, and certain large countries such as India, Italy, and Russia. There seem to be an intrinsic reason why the editor is intent on forewarning people from these countries. That and the statement reamins unsourced which may equate to vandalism. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 20:00, 19 June 2017 (UTC)Reply

Citation needed to explain what a visa is

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Latest comment: 4 days ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Hi User:Northern Moonlight. I noticed that you've added a verification tag requesting citations for basic facts like "visas are administrative entry restrictions" or "visas are issued at diplomatic missions or online." While it's important to ensure content is well-sourced, in these cases, the information falls under what we refer to as common knowledge, and tagging it for citations may not be necessary.

This is outlined in Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue and it explains that widely understood facts—those that would not typically be challenged—do not require citations. For example, demanding a citation to prove that visas are administrative tools used to control entry into a country is equivalent to asking for a citation to confirm that the sky is blue. These are well-known and established facts that don’t usually need verification.

The aim of the verifiability policy is to ensure material that might be controversial or unfamiliar is backed up by reliable sources, but it also encourages us to use common sense. Over-tagging articles for citations on basic facts can clutter the text and detract from the readability and quality of the article. In cases like these, it's often more productive to focus on areas of the article that may include novel, disputed, or less commonly known information that truly needs sourcing.

Additionally, I’d like to caution against tag bombing (WP:TAGBOMB), which is the unjustified addition of numerous tags to articles or applying a single tag to multiple pages without sufficient reason. Tag bombing can be a form of disruptive editing and, if continued after being asked to stop, could lead to consequences. While adding tags can sometimes reflect a genuine need for clarification, they shouldn’t be used excessively or to push a particular point of view. Tag bombing can also violate the policy against disrupting Wikipedia to illustrate a point (WP:POINT). When editors use excessive tagging to prove a point, such as objecting to a particular policy interpretation or trying to enforce consistency in an unreasonable or extreme way, they disrupt the editing process. This tactic doesn't improve the encyclopedia; instead, it undermines collaborative efforts. For example, applying citation tags to obvious facts (like visas being administrative entry restrictions) could be seen as an attempt to force other editors into an unnecessary dispute or to challenge Wikipedia's citation standards. Disruptive editing to make a point is problematic because it diverts attention from productive editing. If you disagree with how a policy or guideline is being interpreted or enforced, it's important to address the issue constructively—by discussing it on the relevant talk page or through dispute resolution channels—rather than trying to highlight perceived flaws by enforcing rules in an exaggerated or antagonistic manner. Trying to provoke a change in policy by engaging in disruptive behaviors can lead to blocks or bans, as it goes against the principle of consensus and collaborative editing. If you feel that there’s a misunderstanding of policy or a need for change, the best approach is to engage in discussion on the article or policy talk page. Tagging articles excessively or inconsistently to make a point is not constructive and could lead to administrative action against your account. Wikipedia encourages editors to work together to resolve issues, rather than using disruptive tactics to emphasize a point.

I’d encourage you to review the policies in question to better understand when citations are necessary and when they’re not. If you have any questions or want to discuss this further, feel free to reach out!--Twofortnights (talk) 15:56, 4 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

If you read the tag I added, this isn’t even remotely about what a visa is. It's about whether it’s administrative vs legal. I cannot find any reliable sources that call it the former except replicas of Wikipedia articles. It doesn’t seem you have read the policy you cited at all—TAGBOMB is the addition of numerous tags, which in the English language means “more than one”. I’d like you to acknowledge this point and withdraw this statement. Northern Moonlight 02:24, 5 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
No because this is an article in the entire series, and you've already announced the intent to edit all of the articles in the series. Thus, it's reasonable to assume, you didn't want the visa to be defined just for the South Korean citizens. If we presume the tag should be added then it should be added to all articles in the series. But the discussion on what a visa is does not belong here, it's nothing specific for the South Korean citizens. There is an IOM definition of a visa which is "An endorsement by the competent authorities of a State in a passport or a certificate of identity of a non‐national who wishes to enter, leave, or transit through the territory of the State that indicates that the authority, at the time of issuance, considers the holder to fall within a category of non‐nationals who can enter, leave or transit the State under the State’s laws. A visa establishes the criteria of admission into, transit through or exit from a State.". The EU visa regulation says that the visa is "an authorisation issued by a Member State". However this discussion should take place on Travel visa--Twofortnights (talk) 12:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
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