Talk:Violette Szabo/Archive 1

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Code poem

I don't suppose anyone knows the copyright status of "Yours", or is able to contact Leo Marks' publishers to ask? It would be nice to include it. Securiger 14:07, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

What does "what is now thought of as the definitive World War II code-poem " mean? Definitive in what sense? You could just say 'the code poem which later became famous'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.80.20.41 (talk) 17:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

It would be equally correct, but saying "definitive" is shorter. Is it inaccurate? It is definitive in the sense that it's a well known example of a code poem -- SteveCrook (talk) 18:40, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

See the Wikpedia definition of definitive. As I'm sure you know, the text of the poem is quoted at http://www.powell-pressburger.org/Trips/Wormelow/20000624.html and also at http://www.64-baker-street.org/people/people_leo_marks_code_poem.html - but whether they have permission I don't know!87.80.20.41 (talk) 11:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Accent use within the name

Can't we include the accent in Szabó (0243) in this article without breaking search engines? Nasnema  Chat  23:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

It appears there is no concensus on whether the acute accent is correct, although her husband's name clearly did have it. It's use in the English press seems to exlude it. I may add some qualifying regarding the use of the stress. Nasnema  Chat  11:17, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Rape

Can anyone prove the "sexual assualt"? Rape of prisoners was not common of the Germans.217.226.118.78 (talk) 22:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Googling suggests that this is a connection that has been made before in Szabo's case. Perhaps someone with the more up-to-date biographies can confirm what the current understanding is. Nick Cooper (talk) 22:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Her cellmate at Limoges reported that she was raped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.101.188 (talk) 23:55, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Fictitous nature of the tradtional account

Why is there no mention of the fact that at least two scholars, Elizabeth Nichols (an early historian of the SOE) and Prof. Michael Foot (the official historian of the SOE) concluded that the story of Szabo's escapades and torture was almost entirely fictitious? And what about recent scholarship that suggests Szabo may have been involved (pehaps unwittingly) in the betrayal of Robert Benoist's second SOE network in 1944? On the latter, see The Grand Prix Saboteurs by Joe Saward. These lacuna make the article read like a blatant hagiography.

So fix it! Add what you know (with references, of course). Clarityfiend (talk) 21:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Michael Foot was successfully sued by Peter Churchill and by Minney the author of Carve Her Name With Pride after the publication of the official history, which was written without interviewing any agents and purely from consulting the incomplete records held by SOE at the end of the war. By the time Foot came to write Szabo's DNB biography he stated "brutal interrogations got nothing out of her but contempt."

As for Saward's book, he is a freelance motor-racing journalist who seems unaware of the libel case against Foot. His "evidence" for Szabo betraying the Benoist network is that Benoist was left in an office while being interrogated at the Avenue Foch and just happened to read some documents left on a desk. Benoist then supposedly relayed this information to his brother-in-law who was allowed to visit him at Ave Foch. I guess Saward had a book to sell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.101.188 (talk) 00:13, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Insertion of Brackets

This afternoon (26th October 2011) I inserted 2 sets of brackets (parentheses) in the GC citation section. The actual insert was (First Aid Nursing Yeomanry) changed to (First Aid Nursing Yeomanry) [[ ]]. As editors will know, this insertion does not appear on the page but it makes (First Aid Nursing Yeomanry) into a a link to the WikiPage for the FANY. This was a really harmless insertion which was a convenience to readers. Somebody has (almost instantly) undone the invisible insertion and done it anonymously. Would the person concerned like to explain his action and to sign in the normal way. It is not enough to just state what you have done, you should state why and then say who you are.Miletus (talk) 20:54, 26 October 2011 (UTC) hopefully our juvenile busybody will explain himselfMiletus (talk) 20:57, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Member of the Order of the British Empire,

I can't find a reference to state that Violette was awarded this ?? Steve Bowen (talk) 20:23, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

The museum is called the Violette Szabo GC Museum. Maybe it's a mixup with the museum's founder, Rosemary Rigby, who is an MBE. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:13, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Tania Szabo's book is titled Young, Brave and Beautiful ... Lieutenant Violette Szabo / George Cross Croix de Guerre avec Etoile de Bronze, which pretty much clinches it. Good catch. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Well us Wikki types like to get things right eh Clarityfiend, she is my all time hero & thank you for the clarification Steve Bowen (talk) 23:38, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Just double checked; the museum's introduction specifies just the GC. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:29, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

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Philippe Liewer, Salesman

Hello to those working on this article. I just discovered it and made a little edit to the section on Violette's training and first mission. According to the fr wp articles on her and Philippe Liewer, he was the SOE colleague with whom she parachuted into Normandy. As there is yet no en article on Liewer, I linked his name to the section covering their network (Salesman) in the SOE_F_Section_networks article. If anyone wants any info translated from the French articles, just let me know. Eric ^talk 20:52, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Murder or execution?

Searching for execution on Wikipedia brings up Capital punishment which start with:

"Capital punishment, the death penalty, or execution is the infliction of death upon a person by judicial process as a punishment for an offence."

But Szabo was not tried before a court, she was killed in a concentration camp, and I believe murder would be a better word to use. I have changed the similar article on Norwegian Bokmål/Riksmål to "myrdet" (murder) from "henrettelse" (execution) and I believe the same should be done here. Ulflarsen (talk) 13:19, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

It's a good point but I prefer the phrase execution (executed) as she was of a military background & this is the normal phaselogy even without a trail. Consensus rules I guess though Steve Bowen (talk) 15:57, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

A military execution usually follows some sort of judicial proceedings like a court martial or at least a tribunal. There was no such trial or hearing in Violette's case. Just the order that she and the other agents be killed -- SteveCrook (talk) 19:42, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Violette Szabo was executed as a spy, an action that all the major combatant nations were entitled to perform during the war. So, the term is entirely correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.203.71.134 (talk) 00:55, 13 May 2013 (UTC)