Talk:Vinmont Veteran Park

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The result was: promoted by Amkgp (talk) 14:34, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

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Children's play structure in Vinmont Park

• ... that Vinmont Veteran Park is named after Robert Weinberg, whose German last name translates to Vinmont in French? Source: "The name Vinmont is the French translation of Weinberg, which is German for Wine Mountain" [1]
  • ALT1:... that Vinmont Veteran Park traces its name to Robert Weinberg, whose German last name translates to Vinmont in French? Source: "The name Vinmont is the French translation of Weinberg, which is German for Wine Mountain" [2]
  • ALT2:... that Vinmont Veteran Park traces its name to Robert Weinberg, whose German last namesurname translates to Vinmont in French? Source: "The name Vinmont is the French translation of Weinberg, which is German for Wine Mountain" [3]

• Reviewed 1: Jewish views on lying
• Reviewed 2: Template:Did you know nominations/B. Altman and Company Building

Created by RoySmith (talk). Self-nominated at 16:37, 26 August 2020 (UTC).

*Note: it might make sense to bundle this on the same day as Bronx Skate Park. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:42, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

• Hi RoySmith. Article is new enough and long enough, references seem OK and a QPQ has been done. I fixed the coordinates and moved the old lead to a new section of the article (the lead should not contain new information and should just be a summary of the main body). In doing so I have probably becme too involved in the article to complete the review, so I am asking for a second reviewer - Dumelow (talk) 04:29, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

• Interesting hook. Per Dumelow's comment, this checks out source-wise, the article is new enough and doesn't appear to have any copyright violations. Good to go. ⑉⑉Mccunicano☕️ 08:41, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote, but isn't the park named after the surrounding neighbourhood which was named after Robert Weinberg? The hook seems to suggest the park was directly named after Weinberg. Thoughts? @RoySmith: @Dumelow: @Mccunicano: Thanks Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 19:11, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

• Hmmm. I've added ALT1 which fixes that technicality. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:50, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
• Great! Restoring tick. Vincent^LUFan (talk) (Kenton!) 14:40, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

• Sorry, but we don't put names on the main page that don't have a Wikipedia article, and the name is redlinked in this article. If you love this hook, you could write a stub for Weinberg. Personally, I think a new hook would be better. Yoninah (talk) 00:53, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, My intent was always to write Robert C Weinberg; I think there's enough about him for a reasonable biography. I could crank out a stub about him, but maybe it makes more sense to pull this from the queue and hold it until I can do a decent version of the Weinberg article? -- RoySmith (talk) 01:07, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

• @RoySmith: Yes, we could do that. I'll move this back to WP:DYKN and you can ping me when you're ready for the second review. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 01:11, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, OK, I've written Robert Weinberg (urban planner). It turns out, there's a ton of material about him, I've just barely scratched the surface with what I've got now, but there's always GAN when I feel like doing the rest :-)

Not long ago, Narutolovehinata5 was kind enough to explain to me how double hooks work, so I think that's what I want to do with this. Should I create a second DYK nomination for Robert Weinberg (urban planner), or just add ALT2 with the second link bolded? Also, do I owe you another QPQ for the second article, or is that per-hook? -- RoySmith (talk) 15:35, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Just write an ALT2 with the link to Weinberg bolded. But if you do so, you'll need to provide a second QPQ (QPQs are per article, not per hook). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 15:40, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks. ALT2 added. I'll try to catch up with the 2nd QPQ sometime today, but might not have time until tomorrow. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:44, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you, RoySmith, the new article looks good. I edited the lead and added an infobox. See the editing I did on Vinmont Veteran Park#Namesakes; there is also a dead link. Please add something about the naming of the Vinmont neighborhood to the Robert Weinberg article. Yoninah (talk) 17:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, Added a section about that, and QPQ is done. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:04, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

• @RoySmith: Thank you. One last question: do you want to identify Weinberg in the hook? Like:
• ALT2a: ... that Vinmont Veteran Park traces its name to New York City architect or: city planner Robert Weinberg, whose German last name translates to Vinmont in French? Yoninah (talk) 10:31, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

• Yoninah, Thanks for the suggestion, but I'd prefer to go with ALT2. To my taste, shorter is better. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:14, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

• OK. Here is a full review of Robert Weinberg (urban planner): New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Hook ref verified and cited inline. QPQ done.
• ALT2 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 12:35, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

• I'm good with the last name -> surname change in ALT2. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:15, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Dead link?

@Yoninah: Unclear which link your "dead link" is referring to. Both of these:

• https://www.nycgovparks.org/parks/vinmont-veteran-park/highlights/8773
• https://snaccooperative.org/view/55370020

work for me. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:39, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

The first was fine, the second wasn't but now it is. Weird. Thanks, Yoninah (talk)

Turns out archive.org already had a copy, so I linked that in. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:47, 14 September 2020 (UTC)