Talk:Villikins and his Dinah

On splitting a "William and Dinah" article

I have begun doing research on the source British Broadside ballad, William and Dinah, but am unsure as to whether or not I should create a new article for it or simply insert relevant information into this one. Both Laws and Roud sort the songs together, making note of the various versions. But perhaps that could grow to be too confusing? Memtgs (talk | contribs) @ 19:58, 23-08-2013 UTC 19:58, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

I guess it depends on how much you've found. Certainly a better sketch of its history would enhance this article, as W&D is the acknowledged daddy of Villikins. If you've really found a lot on it though, a separate article would be justified I should think.

Did you happen to find out whether W&D had a chorus originally, or if that was added when it was worked up into Villikins? Robson played Dublin for 3 years and the first recorded performance of Villikins was there, not at the Olympic. That 'Toora-li, tooral-li' sounds Irish to me. (I mean I associate it with songs like 'Irish Lullaby' - not that it sounds like it could be Gaelic. i don't know any Gaelic.)RLamb (talk) 20:04, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'm still gathering sources on the songs, I'll post an update once I know.

W&D as an American song comes from British Broadsides; in my own original research I've found that it's not uncommon for choruses to be added and removed by various singing audiences based on taste and musical trends. I don't know much about Irish folk song, but nonsense choruses such as "Toora-li" are pretty common in American folk song, especially balladry being adapted for more popular performances. On Springfield Mountain, for instance, sometimes contains a "Ru tu di nu/Di nu ni na/Ti tu di nu/Ti bu di na," Frog Went A-Courting has many chorus variants such as "Rinktum body minchy cambo. Kimaneero, down to Cairo, Kimaneero, Cairo, Straddle, addle ladda bobo Ladda bobolinktum Rinktum body minchy cambo," and The Farmer's Curst Wife verses such as "Fa diddle-a, diddle-a, fa diddle-a, diddle-a day." It is not uncommon for these to be borrowed between songs. In any case, I'll keep an eye out while researching. Memtgs (talk | contribs) @ 21:51, 25-08-2013 UTC 21:51, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Simple coquille?

Je lisais au sujet de Vilikins qu'il n'existait que depuis le XIXème siècle. C'est visiblement une erreur, car il y fait mention dans Organt, de Antoine de 109.30.42.25 (talk) 11:03, 14 January 2017 (UTC)St-Just, parut vers la fin de 1789. 11:03, 14 January 2017 (UTC) <ref antoine de St-just, Organt, dans la fin du XXème & dernier Chant...