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Value of Coins
Personally, I find this an OK article, but what is the value of 1 Vietnamese cash coin? Tien? Dong? Not the exchange rate, but the value in relation to the currency. SmartOne
- That's a good question. I think the reason why you don't find an unambiguous answer is that in regular circulation in pre-modern Vietnam, you would find the basic cash coin only. So, there wasn't really a need for a denomination - unlike, say, the U.S. dollar, where you've got several denominations, from 1 cent to 1 dollar. So, in Vietnam, a cash coin is a cash coin - and if you had 100, then you had 100 cash coins. Alfons Åberg (talk) 16:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- About that, I see the name "Lang," "Van," "Tien," "Quan," and "Phan," where Lang are sometimes rectangular (KM#659), Van are kind of cash (KM#389), Tien in gold (KM#321), Quan also rectangular (KM#511), and Phan cash-like coins (KM#626).
- Do you know any information about the value of these coins? (SmartOne)
- Generally as a division of the French Indo-Chinese Piastre these coins were divided for example 500 Van was 1 Piastre, but the zinc Tonkinese variant was worth 1/200th of 1 Piastre. I hope this helps. ;-)
- Sincerely, --Namlong618 (talk) 12:37, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Sapèque
Maybe it would be wise to introduce the colonial (western) name next to the VietNamese one.--95.33.195.46 (talk) 19:41, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
Value of standard imperial coins during French rule
What was the value of the normal Thanh Thai Thong Bao or other Thong Bao van coins during the Piastre-era 1/500 or 1/600?--95.33.195.46 (talk) 19:49, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
- Under the Thanh Thai Emperor 500 Văn were equal to 1 Piastre, or 5 Văn were 1 cent.
- Sincerely, --Namlong618 (talk) 12:36, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
- Put in the text. ✅ --113.23.50.176 (talk) 06:42, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
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VietContent. Vietnamese Charms.
I found a lot of information on Vietnamese charms that are shaped like Vietnamese cash and read the same inscriptions, should that be in the article or can this only be about the official currency. --1.55.196.75 (talk) 06:56, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
(An incomplete) list of Annamese coins.
Recently I had created a list that at it's introduction looked like this:
| Inscription | Hán tự | Years of mintage | Dynasty | Monarch(s) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Thái Bình Hưng Bảo[a] | 太平興寶 | 968-981 | Đinh (丁) | Ðinh Tiên Hoàng (丁先皇) Đinh Phế Đế (丁廢帝) |
| Thiên Phúc Trấn Bảo | 天福鎮寶 | 986 | Early Lê (前黎) | Lê Hoàn (黎桓) |
| Lê | 黎 | 986 | Early Lê (前黎) | Lê Hoàn (黎桓) |
| Thuận Thiên Đại Bảo | 順天大寶 | 1010-1028 | Lý (李) | Lý Thái Tổ (李太祖) |
| Càn Phù Nguyên Bảo | 乾符元寶 | 1039-1041 | Lý (李) | Lý Thái Tông (李太宗) |
| Minh Đạo Thông Bảo | 明道通寶 | 1042-1043 | Lý (李) | Lý Thái Tông (李太宗) |
| Thiên Phù Nguyên Bảo | 天符元寶 | 1120-1127 | Lý (李) | Lý Nhân Tông (李仁宗) |
| Đại Định Thông Bảo | 大定通寶 | 1140-1162 | Lý (李) | Lý Anh Tông (李英宗) |
| Thiên Cảm Thông Bảo | 天感通寶 | 1174-1175 | Lý (李) | Lý Anh Tông (李英宗) |
| Thiên Tư Thông Bảo | 天資通寶 | 1202-1204 | Lý (李) | Lý Cao Tông (李高宗) |
| Trị Bình Thông Bảo | 治平通寶 | 1205-1210 | Lý (李) | Lý Cao Tông (李高宗) |
| Trị Bình Nguyên Bảo | 治平元寶 | 1205-1210 | Lý (李) | Lý Cao Tông (李高宗) |
| Nguyên Phong Thông Bảo | 元豐通寶 | 1251-1258 | Trần (陳) | Trần Thái Tông (陳太宗) |
| Khai Thái Nguyên Bảo | 開太元寶 | 1324-1329 | Trần (陳) | Trần Minh Tông (陳明宗) |
| Thiệu Phong Bình Bảo | 紹豐平寶 | 1341–1357 | Trần (陳) | Trần Dụ Tông (陳裕宗) |
| Thiệu Phong Nguyên Bảo | 紹豐元寶 | 1341–1357 | Trần (陳) | Trần Dụ Tông (陳裕宗) |
| Đại Trị Thông Bảo | 大治通寶 | 1358–1369 | Trần (陳) | Trần Dụ Tông (陳裕宗) |
| Đại Trị Nguyên Bảo | 大治元寶 | 1358–1369 | Trần (陳) | Trần Dụ Tông (陳裕宗) |
| Cảm Thiệu Nguyên Bảo | 感紹元寶 | 1368-1370 | Trần (陳) | Hôn Đức Công (昏德公) |
| Cảm Thiệu Nguyên Bảo | 感紹元宝 | 1368-1370 | Trần (陳) | Hôn Đức Công (昏德公) |
| Hi Nguyên Thông Bảo | 熙元通寶 | 1381-1382 | None | Nguyễn Hi Nguyên (阮熙元) |
| Thiên Thánh Nguyên Bảo | 天聖元寶 | 1391-1392 | None | Sử Thiên Thánh (使天聖) |
| Thánh Nguyên Thông Bảo | 聖元通寶 | 1400 | Hồ (胡) | Hồ Quý Ly (胡季犛) |
| Han Nguyên Thông Bảo | 漢元通寶 | 1401-1407 | Hồ (胡) | Hồ Hán Thương (胡漢蒼) |
| Han Nguyên Thánh Bảo | 漢元聖寶 | 1401-1407 | Hồ (胡) | Hồ Hán Thương (胡漢蒼) |
| Thiên Bình Thông Bảo | 天平通寶 | 1405-1406 | None | Thiên Bình (天平) |
| Vĩnh Ninh Thông Bảo | 永寧通寶 | 1420 | None | Lộc Bình Vương (羅平王) |
| Giao Chỉ Thông Bảo[b] | 交趾通寶 | 1419 | Minh (明) | Vĩnh Lạc Emperor (永樂帝) |
| An Pháp Nguyên Bảo | 安法元寶 | Rebellion[c] | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Lợi (黎利) |
| Chánh Pháp Nguyên Bảo | 正法元寶 | Rebellion | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Lợi (黎利) |
| Trị Thánh Nguyên Bảo | 治聖元寶 | Rebellion | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Lợi (黎利) |
| Trị Thánh Bình Bảo | 治聖平寶 | Rebellion | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Lợi (黎利) |
| Thái Pháp Bình Bảo | 太法平寶 | Rebellion | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Lợi (黎利) |
| Thánh Quan Thông Bảo | 聖宮通寶 | Rebellion | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Lợi (黎利) |
| Thuận Thiên Thông Bảo | 順天通寶 | 1428-1433 | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Thái Tổ (黎太祖) |
| Thuận Thiên Nguyên Bảo | 順天元寶 | 1428-1433 | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Thái Tổ (黎太祖) |
| Thiệu Bình Thông Bảo | 紹平通寶 | 1434-1440 | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Thái Tông (黎太宗) |
| Đại Bảo Thông Bảo | 大寶通寶 | 1440-1442 | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Thái Tông (黎太宗) |
| Thái Hòa Thông Bảo[d] | 太和通寶 | 1443-1453 | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Nhân Tông (黎仁宗) |
| Diên Ninh Thông Bảo | 延寧通寶 | 1454-1459 | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Nhân Tông (黎仁宗) |
| Thiên Hưng Thông Bảo | 天興通寶 | 1459-1460 | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Nghi Dân (黎宜民) |
| Quang Thuận Thông Bảo | 光順通寶 | 1460–1469 | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Thánh Tông (黎聖宗) |
| Hồng Đức Thông Bảo | 洪德通寶 | 1470-1497 | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Thánh Tông (黎聖宗) |
| Cảnh Thống Thông Bảo | 景統通寶 | 1497-1504 | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Hiến Tông (黎憲宗) |
| Đoan Khánh Thông Bảo | 端慶通寶 | 1505-1509 | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Uy Mục (黎威穆) |
| Giao Trị Thông Bảo | 交治通寶 | 1509 | None | Cẩm Giang Vương (錦江王) |
| Thái Bình Thông Bảo | 太平通寶 | 1509 | None | Cẩm Giang Vương (錦江王) |
| Thái Bình Hưng Bảo | 太平興寶 | 1509 | None | Cẩm Giang Vương (錦江王) |
| Hồng Thuận Thông Bảo | 洪順通寶 | 1510-1516 | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Tương Dực (黎襄翼) |
| Trần Tuân Công Bảo | 陳新公寶 | 1511-1512 | None | Trần Tuân (陳珣) |
| Quang Thiệu Thông Bảo | 光紹通寶 | 1516-1522 | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Chiêu Tông (黎昭宗) |
| Thiên Ứng Thông Bảo | 天應通寶 | 1516-1521 | None | Trần Cao (陳暠) |
| Phật Pháp Tăng Bảo | 佛法僧寶 | 1516-1521 | None | Trần Cao (陳暠) |
| Thống Nguyên Thông Bảo | 統元通寶 | 1522-1527 | Later Lê (後黎) | Lê Cung Hoàng (黎恭皇) |
| Minh Đức Thông Bảo | 明德通寶 | 1527-1530 | Mạc (莫) | Mạc Thái Tổ (莫太祖) |
| Minh Đức Nguyên Bảo | 明德元寶 | 1527-1530 | Mạc (莫) | Mạc Thái Tổ (莫太祖) |
| Đại Chính Thông Bảo | 大正通寶 | 1530-1540 | Mạc (莫) | Mạc Thái Tông (莫太宗) |
| Quang Thiệu Thông Bảo | 光紹通寶 | 1531-1532 | None | Quang Thiệu Emperor (光紹帝) |
| Nguyên Hòa Thông Bảo | 元和通寶 | 1533-1548 | [[Revival Lê dynasty|Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Trang Tông (黎莊宗) |
| Quảng Hòa Thông Bảo | 廣和通寶 | 1541-1546 | Mạc (莫) | Mạc Hiến Tông (莫憲宗) |
| Vĩnh Định Thông Bảo | 永定通寶 | 1547 | Mạc (莫) | Mạc Tuyên Tông (莫宣宗) |
| Vĩnh Định Chí Bảo | 永定之寶 | 1547 | Mạc (莫) | Mạc Tuyên Tông (莫宣宗) |
| Thái Bình Thông Bảo | 太平通寶 | 1558– 1613 | Nguyễn lords (阮主) | Nguyễn Hoàng (阮潢) |
| Càn Thống Nguyên Bảo | 乾統元寶 | 1623 | Mạc (莫) | Mạc Kính Cung (莫敬恭) |
| An Pháp Nguyên Bảo | 安法元寶 | 1623 | Mạc (莫) | Mạc Kính Cung (莫敬恭) |
| Vĩnh Thọ Thông Bảo | 永壽通寶 | 1658-1661 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Thần Tông (黎神宗) |
| Vĩnh Trị Thông Bảo | 永治通寶 | 1678-1680 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hi Tông (黎熙宗) |
| Vĩnh Trị Nguyên Bảo | 永治元寶 | 1678-1680 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hi Tông (黎熙宗) |
| Vĩnh Trị Chí Bảo | 永治至寶 | 1678-1680 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hi Tông (黎熙宗) |
| Chính Hòa Thông Bảo | 正和通寶 | 1680-1705 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hi Tông (黎熙宗) |
| Chính Hòa Nguyên Bảo | 正和元寶 | 1680-1705 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hi Tông (黎熙宗) |
| Vĩnh Thịnh Thông Bảo | 永聖通寶 | 1706-1719 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Dụ Tông (黎裕宗) |
| Bảo Thái Thông Bảo | 保泰通寶 | 1720-1729 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Dụ Tông (黎裕宗) |
| Thiên Minh Thông Bảo | 天明通寶 | 1738-1765 | Nguyễn lords (阮主) | Nguyễn Phúc Khoát (阮福濶) |
| Cảnh Hưng Thông Bảo | 景興通寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Thông Bảo | 景興通宝 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Trung Bảo | 景興中寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Trung Bảo | 景興中宝 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Chí Bảo | 景興至寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Vĩnh Bảo | 景興永寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Đại Bảo | 景興大寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Thái Bảo | 景興太寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Cự Bảo | 景興巨寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Cự Bảo | 景興巨宝 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Trọng Bảo | 景興重寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Tuyền Bảo | 景興泉寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Thuận Bảo | 景興順寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Nội Bảo | 景興內寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Nội Bảo | 景興內宝 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Dụng Bảo | 景興用寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Lai Bảo | 景興來寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Thận Bảo | 景興慎寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Thọ Trường | 景興壽長 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Chính Bảo | 景興正寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Anh Bảo | 景興英寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Tống Bảo | 景興宋寶 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Cảnh Hưng Bảo Dụng | 景興通用 | 1740-1786 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Hiển Tông (黎顯宗) |
| Thái Đức Thông Bảo | 泰德通寶 | 1778-1788 | Tây Sơn (西山) | Thái Đức (泰德) |
| Minh Đức Thông Bảo | 明德通寶 | 1787 | Tây Sơn (西山) | Thái Đức (泰德) |
| Chiêu Thống Thông Bảo | 昭統通寶 | 1787-1789 | Revival Lê (黎中興) | Lê Mẫn Đế (黎愍帝) |
| Quang Trung Thông Bảo | 光中通寶 | 1788–1792 | Tây Sơn (西山) | Quang Trung (光中) |
| Quang Trung Đại Bảo | 光中大宝 | 1788–1792 | Tây Sơn (西山) | Quang Trung (光中) |
| Cảnh Thịnh Thông Bảo | 景盛通寶 | 1793 - 1801 | Tây Sơn (西山) | Cảnh Thịnh (景盛) |
| Cảnh Thịnh Đại Bảo | 景盛大寶 | 1793 - 1801 | Tây Sơn (西山) | Cảnh Thịnh (景盛) |
| Bảo Hưng Thông Bảo | 寶興通寶 | 1801 - 1802 | Tây Sơn (西山) | Cảnh Thịnh (景盛) |
| Càn Long Thông Bảo An Nam[e] |
乾隆通寶 安南 |
Thanh (清) | Càn Long Emperor (乾隆帝) | |
| Gia Long Thông Bảo | 嘉隆通寶 | 1802-1820 | Nguyễn (阮) | Gia Long (嘉隆) |
| Minh Mạng Thông Bảo | 明命通寶 | 1820-1841 | Nguyễn (阮) | Minh Mạng (明命) |
| Trị Nguyên Thông Bảo | 治元通寶 | 1831-1834 | None | Lê Văn Khôi (黎文𠐤) |
| Nguyên Long Thông Bảo | 元隆通寶 | 1833-1835 | None | Nông Văn Vân (農文雲) |
| Thiệu Trị Thông Bảo | 紹治通寶 | 1841-1847 | Nguyễn (阮) | Thiệu Trị (紹治) |
| Tự Đức Thông Bảo | 嗣德通寶 | 1847-1883 | Nguyễn (阮) | Tự Đức (嗣德) |
| Tự Đức Bảo Sao | 嗣德寶鈔 | 1847-1883 | Nguyễn (阮) | Tự Đức (嗣德) |
| Kiến Phúc thông bảo | 建福通寶 | 1883-1884 | Nguyễn (阮) | Kiến Phúc (建福) |
| Hàm Nghi thông bảo | 咸宜通寶 | 1884-1885 | Nguyễn (阮) | Hàm Nghi (咸宜) |
| Đồng Khánh Thông Bảo | 同慶通寶 | 1885-1888 | Nguyễn (阮) | Đồng Khánh (同慶) |
| Thành Thái Thông Bảo | 成泰通寶 | 1888-1907 | Nguyễn (阮) | Thành Thái (成泰) |
| Duy Tân Thông Bảo | 維新通寶 | 1907-1916 | Nguyễn (阮) | Duy Tân (維新) |
| Khải Định Thông Bảo | 啓定通寶 | 1916-1925 | Nguyễn (阮) | Khải Định (啓定) |
| Bảo Đại Thông Bảo | 保大通寶 | 1926-1945 | Nguyễn (阮) | Bảo Đại (保大) |
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The list above is in no way complete, there are numerous of “unidentified” coins that I had deliberately left out (I might made a separate list for those), but more importantly I still use Edouard Toda’s “Annam and its Minor Currency” (hosted by Sema/@Pyvanet:.) from 1882 rather than Barter’s more updated book 📚 from 2004. This is because unlike the books from Davidhartill which I can easily pirate online 😈 , I can't seem to find a way to do that with Barter’s (it’s not my first choice to “pirate” those books, I live in Hanoi and have no other way to acquire them as they’re not sold here and online I have to pay double and I’m poor), if someone owns Barter’s book then please fill in some missing information.
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Now let me explain some style choices, the reason I chose to include rebellious coinage is because official sources list them and by only including coins from “officially recognised” authorities we’d be re-writing history for the sake of “only the victors matter” which violates the WP:NPOV as “the official history” isn't the same as “the real history” so I included rebel coinage. I found some unreferenced sentences on Wikipedia that claimed that the production of the Bảo Đại Thông Bảo(保大通寶) stopped in 1933, but all the sources I could find point out 1945, if someone changes the casting date then please reference this. Also despite there being a plethora of 景興 (Cảnh Hưng) coins, the list is still incomplete and someone with a reference book that lists all of them should please fill “the missing coins” in.
The repetition of the same inscriptions isn't an accident either, some inscriptions were simply “recast” in later era‘s.
I hope others will help complete it in the future. 😉
Fixing minor mistakes. 🛠
I noticed that I've made a lot of minor mistakes, usually I'm quick to fix those but as the international internet cable to Vietnam is broken (something it does 10 times a year) I can't seem to save or even do my edits (I have to write everything in an e-mail 📧 first before I can apply anything), maybe someone else could fix some spacing errors (especially in the dates). 📅
--42.112.159.109 (talk) 14:28, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
- Done ✅
- --58.187.173.13 (talk) 07:49, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
The syle of the list. 📝
The list is designed to be purely chronological, if we'd exclusively make kt political and divide it by dynasty rather than year it might be harder to read for the WP:READER
Unidentified Monetary Objects (UMO's). 👽💴💸
I posted (today) the following list:
| Inscription (chữ Quốc ngữ) |
Inscription (Hán tự) |
Notes |
|---|---|---|
| Thiệu Thánh Nguyên Bảo | 紹聖元寶 | |
| Ninh Dân Thông Bảo | 寧民通宝 | The character “宝” is an abbreviated version of “寶” commonly found in Semi-cursive script. |
| Minh Định Tống Bảo | 明定宋寶 | “T” (宋寶) is written in Seal script. |
| Cảnh Nguyên Thông Bảo | 景元通寶 | Appears in both Regular script, and Seal script. |
| Thánh Tống Nguyên Bảo | 聖宋元寶 | |
| Càn Nguyên Thông Bảo | 乾元通寶 | Produced in the upper parts of Northern Vietnam. |
| Phúc Bình Nguyên Bảo | 福平元寶 | Written in Seal script. |
| Thiệt Quý Thông Bảo | 邵癸通寶 | Written in both Running hand and Seal script. |
| Dương Nguyén Thông Bảo | 洋元通寶 | Appear in multiple sizes. |
| Thiệu Phù Nguyên Bảo | 紹符元寶 | Written in Seal script. |
| Nguyên Phù Thông Bảo | 元符通寶 | Written in Seal script. |
| Đại Cung Thánh Bảo | 大工聖寶 | |
| Khai Kiến Thông Bảo | 開建通寶 | |
| Sùng Minh Thông Bảo | 崇明通寶 | |
| Đại Hòa Thông Bảo | 大和通寶 | The reverse is rimless. |
| Cảnh Thì Thông Bảo | 景底通寶 | The “底” closely resembles a “辰” |
| Thiên Nguyên Thông Bảo | 天元通寶 | A variant exists where the “元” is written in Seal script. |
| Nguyên Trị Thông Bảo | 元治通寶 | The characters “治” and “寶” are written in Seal script. |
| Hoàng Hi Tống Bảo | 皇熙宋寶 | |
| Khai Thánh Nguyên Bảo | 開聖元寶 | |
| Thiệu Thánh Thông Bảo | 紹聖通寶 | |
| Thiệu Thánh Bình Bảo | 紹聖平寶 | the reverse is rimless. |
| Thiệu Tống Nguyên Bảo | 紹宋元寶 | |
| Tường Thánh Thông Bảo | 祥聖通寶 | |
| Hi Tống Nguyên Bảo | 熙宋元寶 | |
| Ứng Cảm Nguyên Bảo | 應感元寶 | |
| Thống Phù Nguyên Bảo | 統符元寶 | |
| Hi Thiệu Nguyên Bảo | 熙紹元寶 | |
| Chính Nguyên Thông Bảo | 正元通寶 | Variants exist with rimmed and rimless reverses, as well as one where there’s a dot or a crescent on the reverse. |
| Thiên Đức Nguyên Bảo | 天德元寶 | |
| Hoàng Ân Thông Bảo | 皇恩通寶 | |
| Thiên Minh Thông Bảo | 天明通寶 | A lead coin produced in the Quảng Nam province. |
| Thái Thánh Thông Bảo | 太聖通寶 | |
| Đại Thánh Thông Bảo | 大聖通寶 | |
| Trị Bình Thông Bảo | 治平通寶 | |
| Chánh Hòa Thông Bảo | 政和通寶 | A variant exists where there’s a crescent a dot on the reverse, and another one with only the crescent. |
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I took the above list again from Edouard Toda’s book, and I’m unaware which coins have and haven’t been identified since 1882 so if someone has a source that can place them in “the above table” then please do so and add that book 📚 /website 🌐 to the section “sources” below.
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If it’s in Barker’s then no need, just excuse me for not being up to date. 😅
Missing coins. 📜💴
Tran Trieu
Kien Trung Tran Nguyen Chinh Binh Hoang Tran Dai Dinh Thieu Khanh Xuong Phù
Ho Trieu
Thieu Nguyen
Anti-Ming
Vinh Thien Thien Khanh
Tran Cao
Tran Cong Tan Bao Tuyen hoa Huu bao
Mac Quang Bao
Trinh
Nam Vuong Cu Bao
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As of this list and several others, as I don't own the book I can't tell the period. --42.112.154.2 (talk) 11:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
- Done ✅
- --58.187.173.13 (talk) 07:48, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Missing "McDynasty" 😜 coins. 🔎💴
I found a website that goes into great details about Mac dynasty coinage, as I won’t have any internet soon I can’t add these coins, if someone else would be so kind to add them to the list I'd be eternally grateful. m(_ _)m 🙇🏻
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Also if someone has Barker’s book 📚 please fill in the “missing” coin(age)s.
--42.112.154.2 (talk) 13:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
- Done ✅
- --58.187.173.13 (talk) 07:49, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
Barker. 🀄🔎💴🔍🔠
I'll try to add more "Barker coins" to the list, but I can only judge by names and reign titles. If someone has the book 📚 then please correct me if I'm wrong 👎🏻. --58.187.173.13 (talk) 15:18, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
why WP:NOTCATALOG doesn't apply to the coin lists. 😰🏮📜💴💰🏷
The reason why the list of coins DON’T fall under WP:NOTCATALOG is because while the argument can be made that these/those lists can be seen as “a shopping guide for numismatists” don’t they include rarity indexes or price indexes, they do however show dynastic attribution and by/under whom they were minted, if anyone would care to delete the lists by the pretendse of “WP:NOTCATALOG” remember that the list serves the history of the coinage, not just a guide for collectors, also as of June 25th, 2017 both lists are still incomplete so it’s not exclusively a shopping 🏬 guide for coin collectors, I think that people with an interest in history will find them useful too. Also don’t delete the entire list(s) if one or two entries are wrong 👎🏻, just correct them, don’t go overboard. 😒
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Why the Japanese export coins should be in there. 🗾💴💸➡🌏
The reason those Japanese coins are in the list is because they were minted specifically for circulation abroad (in the territory of Quang Nam/Cochinchina), and the list’s eader says “coins produced to circulate within Vietnam” which those coins fully qualify as.
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Conflicting sources
For some reason the sources concerning the discontinuation of the currency tend to contradict each other blaming either independence or the Japanese occupation as the reason, I will attempt to clarify this more in the article on the Bảo Đại Thông Bảo but if anyone knows some good sources please list them here. --Donald Trung (talk) 03:30, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
P.S. (Post-Script) The Archive bot didn't seem to be working so I archived them with the OneClickArchiver as I didn't want this message to be burries underneath loads of already solved discussions as I've provided all information in the body of the article and I've had my time to work out the issues with the list, although there's always room for improvement. 😉 Also note that the list has significantly changed so using prior information for the current list might be a bit misleading. --Donald Trung (talk) 03:32, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
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