Talk:Vermilion border

Picture

Even in the absence of a better one, I think the picture currently on this page has little to do with the vermillion border and should be removed. With the large laceration shown, this is not really normal lip anatomy and is, at best, misleading to novice readers.--AaronM (talk) 00:48, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's misleading at all -- it's not like we're discussing the difference between normal and abnormal anatomy of the temporomandibular joint, between which the average person does cannot distinguish. The vermillion border is a very well known site, even if it is not a well-known term, and one of the most important considerations involving it is in suturing lacerations/incisions. Another would be evaluating a variagation, such as in a soft tissue neoplasm. Although, I must say I'm biased, as I did both begin the article as well as take the picture. Let's get some consensus among other editors after it having been here so long without contention. It does receive 1300 hits per month on average and has been here for a year and three-quarters. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 23:10, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with AaronM--this image is a candidate for removal. As the article is quite specific in noting that the vermillion border is useful for detecting disease, why not find an image that is thus germane? If you must include the image--crop it and zoom in on the vermillion border. There is no need for us to see a gaping cheek wound. I'm glad that you did a good job in sewing it up--but I did not come to this page to see blood born of violence, whether this violence was accidental or on purpose. I find this image, to take AaronM's point further, is not just misleading to a novice, it feels aggressive--seeing the entire bloody gash here is just so beside the point. Crop it or get rid of it.Francisco Herrero (talk) 04:53, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

The image caption in the article says it's an incision, whereas it actually seems to be a laceration. WRT caption on the image page, isn't the first part of the montage also taken after decontamination? Because it looks like it's already been swabbed with iodine.74.73.26.9 (talk) 05:18, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Vermilion has only one L

Vermilion border is sometimes "vermillion border" because it is sometimes misspelled. In fact, judging from the previous entries on this page, it is frequently misspelled. (Possibly among the most frequently misspelled medical terms.) Even the reference to vermillionectomy [sic] shows a published example.

The Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary lists only "vermilion border" and "vermilionectomy", and while the general M-W dictionary notes "vermillion" as an alternative spelling, Chambers 21st Century Dictionary does not. An online dictionary published by Oxford University Press (responsible for the OED) states "Spelling help: Remember that there is only one L in vermilion."

What's been happening? Doctors are busy people, and don't have time to look up dictionaries. Vermilion sounds like it ends in million, so the word looks OK. No one bothers to check, even the publishers of surgical textbooks. Everyone else spells it with double-L (see examples on this page) and usage determines correctness, right? Wrong.

There is discussion/debate with links to evidence here. Feel free to join in. DrX au (talk) 03:38, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Only Humans Have a Vermilion border

"Only humans have a vermilion area but in animals the transition is much sharper." - http://www.hrpub.org/download/20150301/OJDOM4-18003439.pdf (There are probably better sources for this trivia.) Drsruli (talk) 03:01, 18 October 2020 (UTC)