Talk:Vera Holme/GA1
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Reviewer: Mertbiol (talk · contribs) 09:52, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I have read through this very interesting article. It's well written and generally very clear. I have suggestions for improving the text (below). I have not yet checked the sources, but will do so after the nominator has had a chance to respond to my initial comments. Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 09:52, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for picking it up Merthiol. I really appreciate your reviewing her and look forward to collaborating with you to improve it. SusunW (talk) 13:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Lead section edit
- I suggest rephrasing "She was known as the Pankhursts' chauffeur..." to "She became the Pankhursts' chauffeur..."
- I think "Pankhursts'" needs a link.
- Not really sure how to accomplish this, but I linked it to Emmeline Pankhurst, the mother.
- The first sentence of the second paragraph (starting "With the outbreak of World War I...") is fairly long (43 words). I suggest splitting it in two.
- I suggest adding "they" to "and in 1915 they went to Serbia" - as Holme was the subject of the first half of the sentence (not Holme and Haverfield together).
- I think you need to add a comma after "but after they were released" (third sentence, second paragraph).
- Please change "honored" to "honoured" for British English spelling.
- I think you need to add a comma after the first "Serbia" in the final sentence of the second paragraph.
- Please rephrase "In 1923, Holme returned to Britain and performing..." (first sentence, third paragraph) - would "In 1923, Holme returned to Britain and began to perform again..." work?
- I suggest replacing "both" with "also" in "and both managed and produced plays in the region." (The "both" could refer to Holme and Greenlees.)
- I suggest starting a new paragraph with "Holme died in Glasgow in 1969."
- I suggest changing "Her papers are located at the Women's Library..." to "Her archive is held by the Women's Library..." to avoid repetition of "papers" in the final sentence.
- I suggest linking lesbian and interwar period (third paragraph, final sentence).
Early life edit
- I suggest linking "timber" to lumber.
- In British English, we would generally say "close to her brother Gordon" and not ""close with her brother Gordon".
- I suggest changing "artist's model, singer and began acting" to "artist's model, singer and actor."
Stage career edit
- I suggest adding a comma after "previously considered male occupations".
- I suggest changing " which had been formed by Craig in 1911" to "formed by Craig in 1911".
- Craig's full name was mentioned at the start of the section. You may need to repeat "Edith Craig" again at the start of the third paragraph.
- I suggest deleting "forward" in "From this time forward..." (third paragraph, second sentence).
- I suggest changing "to the use of Jack" to "to using Jack".
- I suggest changing "She adopted masculine dress and mannerisms thereafter, which have been well documented in photographs" to "Photographs indicate that Holme began to adopt masculine dress and mannerisms." (You also need to make it clear that "she" refers to Holme and not to Twisha Singh.)
- I suggest changing "continued performing as a male and touring with theatrical companies" to "continued to perform as a male, touring with theatrical companies" (third paragraph, sixth sentence).
- I suggest adding "entitled" before ""Notable Lochearnhead Lady"" (third paragraph, final sentence).
Women's suffrage edit
- I suggest changing "who Sylvia Pankhurst stated was..." to "who Sylvia Pankhurst described as..." (first sentence, first paragraph).
- I think you need to add a comma after "The WSPU staged controversial actions" (second sentence, first paragraph).
- I suggest changing "their objective of shouting" to "with the objective of shouting" (third sentence, first paragraph).
- I suggest changing "which brought her to international notice" to "which brought her to international attention" (final sentence, first paragraph).
- I suggest adding "when" before "leading suffrage parades" (first sentence, second paragraph).
- I suggest changing "and made sketches of her cell" to "where she made sketches of her cell" (third sentence, third paragraph).
- I think you need to add a comma before "to plant trees in the arboretum" (fourth sentence, third paragraph).
First World War work edit
- I suggest changing "Upon the outbreak of war..." to "At the start of the war..." (first sentence).
- "she brought her partner Holme in" sounds a little too informal to me. How about "she recruited her partner Holme" (second sentence, first paragraph)?
- I suggest changing "but Holme and Haverfield remained in the territory, refusing to leave their wounded patients" to "but Holme and Haverfield refused to leave their patients" (fourth sentence, first paragraph).
- I think "Red Cross" needs a link (final sentence, first paragraph).
Post war edit
- I suggest rephrasing "They were joined there by other veterans..." to "There they were joined by other veterans..." (third sentence, second paragraph).
Return to Scotland edit
- I suggest adding "the" before "Croatian painter Nasta Rojc" (first sentence).
- Please remove the Oxford comma after "Greenlees" in "which she, Greenlees, and Ker all supported" (fourth sentence). Oxford commas are not routinely used in British English.
- I suggest changing "In 1941, she broadcast..." to "In 1941, Holme broadcast..." (final sentence) as the "she" could refer to Craig.
Death and legacy edit
- Please link arteriosclerosis (first sentence).
- I suggest changing "renal failure" to "kidney failure" (first sentence).
- I suggest changing "a large photographic archive" to "a large collection of photographs" (second sentence) to avoid repetition of "archive".
- Please change "have the potential" to "has the potential" (fourth sentence).
Stopping here for now edit
That's all for now. I will check sources on my second read through. Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 09:52, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- Mertbiol, thank you so much for the review. I truly appreciate your efforts to improve it. Please advise if I need to do anything further or if we need to discuss more. SusunW (talk) 15:34, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Sources edit
I have checked the following sources: [1], [3], [4] (see comments below), [5], [6] (see comment below), [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12] (see comment below), [14] and [17].
- [4] Singh, Twisha (March 2022)
- Haverfield married to a wealthy baron - I think this is p12 not p15;
- Confinement in Holloway Prison - I think this is p12 not p15.
- [6] Allsopp, Jenna - I'm not convinced that this source supports "Holme began to adopt masculine mannerisms" (I'm happy that it talks about Holme adopting masculine dress).
- Changed to say habits, and added a link to Dimitrijević & Baker p 54 which says "The practices characteristic of the Holme-Haverfield circle, including masculine dress, short hair, practising sports, consuming tobacco, automobility and enthusiasm for auxiliary service in war, correspond to the features of newly emerged sexual identities among women."
- [12] Graham, Becky (September 2021) - The source says that Alick and Vera exchanged letters, but does not mention correspondence involving Haverfield and Wray.
Placing on hold edit
Other than the source queries above, I think the article is ready for promotion. I will therefore place the review on hold. Best wishes Mertbiol (talk) 16:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
- Again, I appreciate your help with the article, Mertbiol. Let me know if anything further needs to be done and I'm happy to look again. SusunW (talk) 19:44, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Final verdict edit
- It is reasonably well written.
- It is factually accurate and verifiable.
- a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
- a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
- It is broad in its coverage.
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- a (major aspects): b (focused):
- It follows the neutral point of view policy.
- Fair representation without bias:
- Fair representation without bias:
- It is stable.
- No edit wars, etc.:
- No edit wars, etc.:
- It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
- Overall:
- Pass/Fail:
- Pass/Fail:
This is a very interesting and informative article. It is well written and appears to cover all aspects of the life and work of Vera Holmes in detail. Congratulations to @SusunW: for their hard work to bring this nomination forward. I have no hesitation in promoting it to GA status. Great job!!! Mertbiol (talk) 19:46, 30 June 2023 (UTC)