Talk:Vasireddy Venkatadri Nayudu

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I have added in the legend referring to Raja Venkatdri Naidu's massacre of the Chenchus and the subsequent repentence. I come from Narukulapadu. I don't have any published references, but this is part of the lore of the place. Hopefully, this can be verified and substantiated at sometime. Unslung 13:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Similar Massacre

Interestingly around the sametime, in 1811, in Egypt, the once rulers, the Mamluks were invited to Cairo Citadel, by Muhammad Ali, an Albanian Turk and were ordered to be massacred. The Battle of 'Ain Jalut with a writeup on the Mamluks. ---Altruism^{T a l k - Contribs.} 16:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC) I am sure, there would be other instances of such tactics being applied to eliminate one's enemies. History is galore with instances of enemies being invited for reconciliation and such 'quick' solutions being found. Some successful and some not so. Another case of a not so successful event of such a tactic being applied is when Afzal Khan invited Shivaji for reconciliation in 1659 and then attempted to attack him. Shivaji outsmarted Afzal Khan in this instance and caused mortal injuries. Just pointing out, in case a suggestion is being made that the lore is inspired by a geographically distant event! Regards, Unslung. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.88.230.225 (talk) 06:26, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Similarities do not have to be copies

Here is my 2 cents. This is where most of us get misled very often. Most of the incidents in the world and across the world are similar. All wars have similarity and so are festivals. Sankrati in south India may not be the inspiration for Thanks Giving day in USA. Dasara from India has no connection with Halloween. Troy is not inspired from Mahabharata or vice versa. I too heard about the massacre of Chenchus and in 1800's media is not as much widespread as it is now - especially among the people local to Amaravati. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.70.59.212 (talk) 04:12, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Rulers sometimes had to take harsh measures for the sake of public safety. That was what Nayudu did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:243:D06:BBD0:8149:BEF2:D130:70E8 (talk) 21:11, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Sourcing

I realise that it can be difficult to source all content using English-language books etc but there is a lot of POV pushing going on at present involving pro-Kamma contributors, many of whom seem likely to be sockpuppets. If citing non-English sources, please provide a translation and a full citation - title, author, publisher, year of publication, page number etc. Be prepared to see queries in accordance with WP:RS, eg: caste histories written by or for a caste are not reliable sources. - Sitush (talk) 17:13, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Chintapalli

One of the sources cited is thie:

• Potturi Venkateswara Rao, Amaravati Prabhuvu Vasireddy Venkatadri Nayudu, Emesco Books, 2016

The book exists [1]. But whether this writer knows anything about anything is another matter. The goodreads blurb says: The original seat of power was Chintapalli in present-day Krishna district. But there is no known Chintapalli in the Krishna district. Google shows this along with the "Old Fort of Venkatadri Nayudu".

Somebody also copied the blurb into this article, saying:

Venkatadri Naidu shifted his capital to Dharanikota and later constructed a new city Amaravathi across the Krishna river in Guntur district and from then made it as his capital.[4] He was a patron of the arts and literature, and a builder of numerous temples in the Krishna river delta. He renovated the ancient temples at Amaravathi, Chebrolu, Mangalagiri, and Ponnuru.[citation needed]

It makes no sense obviously because Dharanikota is not "across the Krishna river". Garbage in and garbage out. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:02, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Caste

How caste not relevant?? People see Vasireddy and think he reddy, which is not the case. Important source many of them call him as famous Kamma zamindar. I will put it up again. It’s important to avoid confusion and his family background is Kamma. It relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.93.180.238 (talk) 15:52, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Also there is no contradictory evidence saying Vasireddys are not Kammas. Link you sent takes me to undue information site. This not a minority view. It cause confusion amongst people who think he is reddy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.93.180.238 (talk) 16:15, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

"How is it not relevant?" is not the kind of argument you can make on Wikipedia, because the WP:BURDEN to provide reliable sources as well as to demonstrate relevance lies on the editors who want to include the content.

In any case, you should see the discussion at Talk:Pemmasani Ramalinga Nayudu as to objections that have been raised against including castes of historical figures. Unless the caste is relevant to the notability of the subject, it is not included. Utcursch, what is your view here? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:16, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

I agree - the caste definitely doesn't belong in the lead in this case, and inclusion in the "Early life" section makes sense only if a reliable source establishes relevance. utcursch | talk 14:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)