Talk:Vancouver Island Ranges

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Need to update List of mountain ranges KenWalker | Talk 07:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Added many peaks. The list is too long. I suppose is should be a separate list for each range, but the list is a pretty good selection of the peaks on Vancouver Island by height as it is. KenWalker | Talk 07:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Range map

Named Ranges of Vancouver Island

I made up the range map as requested; one thing that's different about the Island is that most of the ranges are small, and some things called "Ridges" and "Highlands" are actually larger than some of the ranges. So it's not like the Mainland - where even so there's still large areas that don't have formal local range-names, other than the big subdivisions (e.g. Pacific Ranges). So what you see is what you get with this map. Typically these ranges were named in the marine exploration era, and so are the ones visible from shore, or discernible as distinct ranges from shore anyway; some like the Sophia, Genevieve and Refugium are really hill-ranges, albeit extremely rugged in most cases. The Elk River Mountains are not officially gazetted so I don't have boundaries for them; the boundaries shown are as defined/displayed on Basemap. No. 7 and No. 8 I drew crappy-looking lines to; I have a version saved without the numbering so can redo the numbers, or maybe in this case do actual rangenames...although with that cluster on the North Island/Johnstone Strait area I'd still have to make arrow-lines....Skookum1 04:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

This is the unnumbered version, in case you'd like to fool around with it

.Skookum1 04:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

PS just remembered I didn't make a number-key but I'll leave you to figure it out, or I'll do it when I come home; gotta not miss the bus now that I've decided to go....Skookum1 05:03, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, here's the key (the movie was The Fountain....)

1. Refugium Range
2. Sophia Range
3. Genevieve Range
4. Karmutzen Range
5. Hankin Range
6. Franklin Range (prob named after Sir John)
7. Bonanza Range
8. Sutton Range
9. Newcastle Range (prob named for Duke of Newcastle)
10. Prince of Wales Range (prob George IV rather than Edward VII)
11. Halifax Range ( prob named for a Lord Halifax, not the city)
12. Beaufort Range
13. Pelham Range
14. Somerset Range (prob named for a Lord Somerset)
15. Seymour Range (low but nasty; named for the Gov posthumously)
16. Gowlland Range (Mount Work Provincial Park)
17. Pierce Range
18. Haihte Range —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Skookum1 (talk • contribs) 08:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

I should probably re-do the map, as I missed the Pierce and Haihte Ranges numbers; I'd been trying to go NW-SE in sequence but noticed them after numbering and while labelling the others; nos. 17 and 18.Skookum1 08:24, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Newcastle Range?

How is Newcastle Range an official name for one of the Vancouver Island Ranges? It dosen't show up on Bivouac or BCGNIS. --Black Tusk (talk) 19:10, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

BCGNIS seems to refer to these mountains as Newcastle Ridge. I got the list of ranges, including this one, from Philp Stone's book cited in the article. I had it from the library so I don't have it here to recheck. --KenWalker | Talk 19:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the new section. I seen Newcastle Ridge when I searched Newcastle and thus I know it's the offical name. But the purpose of my question is why Newcastle Range is the only unoffical name in the list. Should it be renamed to Newcastle Ridge? --Black Tusk (talk) 19:52, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you are right, particularly when the lead in to the list refers to these as official names. Even without that, I think we should stick to official names. A quick search of google doesn't turn up any reference there that refers to these mountains either. Good catch by the way! --KenWalker | Talk 20:03, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I can't remember if I sourced the Newcastle Range during my work at bivouac or not; I imagine it would be there if it was on Basemap, which is what I used to build their range directory but if it's not in bivouac then I guess not; I was a nitpicker extraordinaire on accuracy (not also in basemap - I just searched "newcastle r%" either - sometimes it'll be on there when it's not in BCGNIS, as you'll find for some reason quite a bit with the Cahrlottes. When I made this map I must have gone with equating Newcastle Ridge, gazetted, with a pre-existing "Newcastle Range" here, I guess from Ken's source. BTW there's a whole lot of obscure mini-ranges on various islands bits of the mainland that are really hill-chains; can't remember 'em off the top of my head but there's quite a few; maybe some will be article-noteworthy because of the circumstances of their naming or something going on there or that went on there; but for now I cant' see making range articles about them; hill-ranges, like some of the VI Ranges in fact; that the Elk River Ranges aren't officially gazetted is weird, though. Do we have Elk River (British Columbia) articles - one Elk River (Vancouver Island) and one Elk River (Rockies)/Elk River (Kootenay) (no need for "East" on that I think); might be others....Somewhere online I found a phyisographic regions breakdown, govt-style, but it's ultimately built on Holland - BTusk look at the table of contents in Holland; maybe I'll just transcribe it into a sandbox; point is it has things like the Nahwitti Lowland and so on which are big chunkcs of the island, geographic-region speaking....Skookum1 (talk) 20:18, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, Elk River (British Columbia) is for the one in the Rockies; should I bother renaming it - barely twenty pages link to it so far - and retitle it Elk River (Kootenays) (with or without that 's'? - sounds "normal" that way, whereas in the singualr I want to hear eithr "East" before or "River" after...) and Elk River (Vancouver Island)....there's only the two of them so maybe the BC one can be left as-is and just add teh Vancouver Island as such?Skookum1 (talk) 20:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Newcastle Ridge is on bivouac as Newcastle Peak (i.e. Newcastle Peak (Newcastle Ridge)) [1]. It seems like the ridge itself is officially named but the highest point isn't. --Black Tusk (talk) 22:28, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

No, it's because RT has a wacky idea that a mountain has to be called a mountain, and not a ridge, and so he's gone and given unofficial names to things that are actually known as ridges; e.g. Nine Mile Ridge and Marshall Ridge up in [[Bridge River Country|my country] which he's given totally made-up and irrelevant names to because he couldn't equate that a ridge is just a name for a type of mountain; same as some peaks are round or flat-topped and not very peak-like; artificial/made-up names in Bivouac. plus the new unnamed peak-numbering system ,were among the reasons I left; I took teh encyclopedic part seriously, he was only interested in advancing prominence theory and to reflect climberdom]. So disregard that Newcastle Peak thing; on the map it's Newcastle Ridge, and so it is; don't trust bivouac all the time. If he didn't have that marked "unofficial" he should have; it would be disingenuous given his position on peak vs ridge to pretend that "Newcastle Peak" was official bgecause "Mewcastle Ridge" is. Ix-nay on the ap-may. Anyway, just tellin' ya why that's the way it is in bivouac, and to "keep an eye out" for other discrepancies.Skookum1 (talk) 04:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

GeoGroupTemplate

I have been playing around the the {{GeoGroupTemplate}}. See Template:GeoGroupTemplate. I came across it at List of ghost towns in British Columbia. It has some rather slick functions. It would require the addition of the coordinates for each mountain in the {{coord}} format. Any idea where I might get a table with all the coordinates that I could massage into this list? Looking each one up manually and hand adding them might take a while. If that is how it must be done, I would do it and add the BCGNIS links as well. I will add the columns and add a few to see how it looks.--KenWalker | Talk 03:36, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

That looks good. --Black Tusk (talk) 04:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. It was easier than I thought. When looking at the google map, the list of mountains that there are coordinates for doesn't cover much of the island. --KenWalker | Talk 05:36, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

The elevations in the list might need to be changed because the main articles have different elevations. --Black Tusk (talk) 00:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I took them from Philips. What is the best source? Might be worth comparing coordinates as well. --KenWalker | Talk 07:08, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Does Philips have prominence? If not bivouac is probably a better source. And most peaks I skipped going down the list that are red links are unofficial names or arn't found anywhere, especially on BCGNIS. --Black Tusk (talk) 15:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I have been calling the author Philips, my mistake, he is Philip Stone. He does have prominence figures but I just checked at the library here but they don't keep a copy locally. The additional mountains he names may be useful to have but it makes sense to go with the other source available online for elevations and prominence if they differ. --KenWalker | Talk 20:59, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Mount Tzouhalem & Mount Prevost

Would new articles Mount Tzouhalem and Mount Prevost be appropriate for listing in this article? Canuckle (talk) 22:03, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

discrepancy: island area smaller than range area

In this article , Vancouver island is given an area of 31,788 km2, whereas Vancouver island article gives 32,134 km2. but the biggest discrepancy is that in this article, the range is 45,373 km2. This seems impossible or at least necessitate clarification. 81.185.169.211 (talk) 09:15, 22 August 2022 (UTC)