Talk:University of the Pacific (United States)/Archive 1

Archive 1

IPs to watch for

Just as a preemptive warning, if this page is going to be vandalized by a someone using a computer on the University of the Pacific network, then the IP will be 138.9.*.* Usually it'll be something like 138.9.20*.* (Yes, Pacific has a class B network address block.) Syrae Faileas 17:35, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

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I added the UOP masthead as it was recently updated from the prior logos used through 2004. Note that UOP is one of the oldest universities in California. It has thousands of students, grad students, faculty and alumni. There must be something interesting that can be legitimately added to this article, the same way that other university articles are enlarged. Streltzer 18:29, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

I added the university's seal and the Wordmark. I think those are most appropriate, according to the Identity Program's website. JD

I was planning on working on it in a few weeks. Life is a bit busy at the moment, but this is the first article I was planning on seriously editing. I was hoping to bring it up to par with better school articles like Stanford and MIT. If nothing else, I can try to get some of their images to post here, and if that's not possible, I can drive over and take them myself while I'm still in Stockton. I found some sources, so all I need to do is just put the time into editing. I'll do that in September after I quit my job here. I can't do the major improvements while at work. *coughs* Heh. ~ Syrae Faileas 16:00, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I tried to bring it up to the USC standard, but I just don't know enough. I wish I had a digital camera; the campus is so pretty. JD

My contribution to this are the recent revisions related McGeorge School of Law article. I did the best that I could do. Streltzer 19:08, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Looks good! I know about the institution as a whole as well as the main school. I just graduated from Pacific in May, so I have some first-hand knowledge. Obviously I'll try to be NPOV and ignore all the silly things that I'd like to gripe about (like their stupid IT management.) That's not relevant at all, so it's not getting included. Under Notable McGeorge School of Law Faculty Members, maybe you should mention current Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy. A link is nice, having a bit of content and a link is even better.  ;) What I really need to do with this article is add a todo list.... ~ Syrae Faileas 19:38, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I think it's only relevant if referring to the ACM. :P Anyway, I'm a current freshman, so hopefully I can help keep this up to date, too. JD

• Does UOP really deserve this long of an article? Especially considering most of the content here reads like something between a commercial and US News description. What has UoP done? Frito (talk) 04:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Ask not what UOP has done, but rather, what have you done for UOP. :-) Now seriously, Frito, I think your question is not relevant. This article is about an academic institution, and the content of this article has been developed and vetted over time. If there are matters in here which you feel are unnecessary, then by all means perform an edit. Otherwise I think the article complies with all relevant guidelines. Streltzer (talk) 16:21, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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"The University is known for its small class size (an average of 13 students to 1 professor), a diverse offering of majors given the size of the school, its focus on undergraduate education along with professional degree programs, a wide variety of hands-on learning via co-op experiences, a large number of extracurricular organizations and activities, and its architectural resemblance to an Ivy League school."

This resembles the idealized gloss of a prospectus.

Lotsofissues 09:06, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

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To Do

Add stuff here that you think should go into this article. I don't know if this is just a silly way to do this, but I'm going to do it anyway. So there!

Makes sense to me. JD

• Remove mention of the abbreviation "UOP" in the first sentence. The university has undergone a rebranding to "Pacific" to elevate its reputation nationally and no longer identifies as UOP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.9.93.232 (talk) 00:42, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Disagree. Sources still refer to it as UOP[1][2] and an encyclopedia article should include historical information, not just "branding". When the abbreviation falls into disuse, it may be appropriate to change it to "previously known as" but we're not there yet. Schazjmd (talk) 00:51, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

• Add school info box template and fill it in, including the school seal.

Done, except for the motto. Couldn't find it. JD

Same. There's a seal in the rose garden in front of the Tower. That might have something on it if you ever walk by. I think I remember seeing something there. Alternatively we can email the marketing department. If anything, they should know what the motto is, if any. ~ Syrae Faileas - «Talk» 21:09, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

• Expand the history of the school. Make this a sub topic of the article.

I remember them talking about it at Convocation and some of the orientation stuff, but I don't remember any of the specifics. JD

Here's what I was going to use as a source [3]. ~ Syrae Faileas - «Talk» 21:09, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

• Link between Pacific and Delta College

What is the link? JD

See the history linked above. Pacific actually "started" Delta. All of south campus used to be Delta College, which is why the buildings there look different than the main campus buildings. The Geology, Art, Biology, Computer Science, Psychology, and Communication buildings all have the markings of the old Delta building style. The Classroom building, Olsen Hall, and whatever they call the Chemistry building are also from the old campus. Actually, it would be interesting to mention how the buildings on campus reflect the history of the school. If I remember correctly, Z-Building, the Main Gym, Bannister Hall are all temporary buildings put up during WWII and have been slowly converted into more "permanant" buildings. ~ Syrae Faileas - «Talk» 21:09, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

• Reorganize the "list of subjects/majors" such that it's not just a big random list in the middle of the article.

Linked to the website. It's got a list that will hopefully be updated to be current.JD

• Add information on housing on main campus including themed housing.

Housing has a lot on its website.JD

• Make a stub for Arthur A. Dugoni School of Dentistry or see if a page for this already exists.
• Add information about the schools (Engineering, Education, Pharm, COP, International Studies, Music, etc.)
• Add something about culture/student life
  • Greek organizations on campus
    • While the professional frat members may not be considered "true" Greeks, they still deserve to be mentioned somewhere in the article. All I really know of are RPP, AXE and ALD (academic honors frat), but I'll get a comprehensive list once Fall semester starts. JorgeMacD 05:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Professionals need a more distinct sub heading or a seperate section. They're not governing by Greek Life, generally they're governed by their respective schools. Also, we need to get something in about the history of Greek life on this campus. Archania was the first fraternity west of the mississippi, and the school has gone through literally DOZENS of houses over the years. Unfortunately, documentation is very hard to find, most of what I've heard has been verbally from Housing and Greek life staff.
  • Clubs (not focusing on any one)
  • See student life external link for more ideas
• Pacific's claims to fame

They've sure got a bunch. :P JD

• Marketing changes over the past several years, and some student and faculty reactions. Try to stay NPOV. (Is this encyclopedic?)
  • Change of mascot (Tommy the Tiger -> Power Cat)
    • Tommy the Tiger may be peeping his head around campus again on some merchandise, or so I have heard...JorgeMacD 05:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Change of UOP to Pacific
  • Change of website from www.uop.edu to www.pacific.edu
    • www.uop.edu is still owned by the school, and still works. JorgeMacD 05:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
• Colors and mascot
  • Done. Colors were already there, mascot, Tigers. Ethicalhacker 05:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
• Who came first? Pacific or Santa Clara University? Both claim on their websites as being the first college in California (though this article claims it was, in fact, the second).

According to the president's speech, Pacific was first, and Santa Clara was a while later that year. Interestingly, USC claims they're second (at least, on the wiki).JD

Ugh!!!! Okay. Find history for all three and fix all three articles, and link to sources so other people can backtrack later. "I was first! No! I was first! I never heard of you, so I was first!" Give me a big pointy stick any day, and I shall be happy. ~ Syrae Faileas - «Talk» 21:09, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

• Source #1, Pacific's charter (July 10, 1851) [4].
• Source #2, USC's history page (September 4, 1880) [5].
• Source #3, SCU's history page (1851) [6].

I will email SCU right now for more info. ~ Syrae Faileas - «Talk» 21:26, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

--My understanding from when I went to UOP was that it was the first chartered university, but that Santa Clara beat it to the punch in some other respect, like being the first to actually begin classes. I'll try to look further when I have the chance, but maybe someone knows more about this. --Tranio24, 5 January 2005

• Link to the page detailing tuition and related costs. I know there was a vandal earlier that mentioned the costs (among other things) but providing a link to the school's official page on the current estimated costs would be a nice addition, I think.

The Common Data set lists it. I linked that. JD 05:47, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

• Fun facts about the campus. What movies (because I can't remember anymore) has the school been featured in? (I found a link... [7]) ~ Syrae Faileas - «Talk» 21:09, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Last Edit

• Syrae Faileas 19:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
• Syrae Faileas 20:22, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
• ~ Syrae Faileas - «Talk» 21:09, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

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• JD, thanks for the work on the article. Like I said, I was planning on doing something, but I haven't had the time to do it, since I do my Wiki-ing at work, and try to relax after I get home. Last day of work is tomorrow. (Yay!) ~ Syrae Faileas - «Talk» 21:09, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Historic Content

How about something more than a blurb about this university's unique music conservatory? That it was the only one of its kind west of the Mississippi in 1878 intrigues. Has anything noteworthy happened since then? Were there, for example, any notable musicians/composers who taught or attended the conservatory, other than Dave Brubeck? Does the old, classical music conservatory still exist aside the newer, jazz based Brubeck Institute? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermaxie (talk • contribs) 03:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Citations

This article needs a lot more of them, especially with claims such as, "It is ranked number 14 in the top 50 US colleges according to U.S News & World Report, with its pharmacy and outstanding dentistry programs rivaling even Harvard University." Not according to this current source: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1natudoc_brief.php

Microfinance center

The article has a section on a microfinance center. The reference wasn't very clear on this center. Is the Katalysis Bootstrap Fund still involved? The reference makes no mention of this center being the oldest in the U.S. Brigham Young University has a Center for Economic Self-Reliance that deals with microfinance, and it was established in 2003, three years before UoP's. Some clarification and/or updating of this section by someone that can find this information would be helpful as I could not. Thanks, Alanraywiki (talk) 23:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Article rating re-assessed

This article is substantial, but it may be missing important content and/or may contain irrelevant material. IAW the quality scale, it rated C, Low for multiple wikiprojects. --Morenooso (talk) 03:45, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

National rankings

Another editor has posted a blog entry from luminosity.com in the National rankings section. I deleted this material on the grounds that it is not a real national ranking of colleges. It's more like how well self-selected students from different colleges perform on a bunch of computer games. Logical Cowboy (talk) 01:44, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

It looks like an interesting analysis of a neat set of data but I agree that it doesn't seem to belong in this (or nearly any other) article. If others - reporters, scholars, etc. - pick up on this and begin talking about it then we should revisit this as my judgment is based primarily on WP:DUE (with a smattering of WP:SELFPUB since it appears that this document was self-published). ElKevbo (talk) 21:22, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Dubious

I can't be sure which institution of higher learning was the first in the Central Valley, but the opening of Chico State in 1888 makes it very unlikely that Pacific moving to Stockton in 1923 was the first time post-high school instruction was offered in the region. Gentgeen (talk) 11:04, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

It is true that the Northern Branch State Normal School of California was established in 1888. It became a Teacher's College in 1922 and added a junior college curriculum in 1923. It became a state college in 1935. The article doesn't say "post-high school," but rather "institution of higher education." When the institution that became California State University-Chico first added higher education courses is at issue--1888 or 1923 or 1935. If 1923, then both Pacific and Chico State are roughly in a tie as being first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.178.253 (talk) 19:55, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

What is now known as Fresno City College was established in 1910, for the express purpose of bringing "higher education" to the Central Valley. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresno_City_College — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.151.60.72 (talk) 06:11, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

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