Talk:United National Congress

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Platform, policies, constituency

Latest comment: 12 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The article ought to discuss the platform (promises) of the party, as well as its policies once it gained power in government, and who are its main supporters. This is very important information that should be included in an encyclopedia article. -Pgan002 (talk) 13:30, 28 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

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Christian democratic grouping?

Latest comment: 4 years ago12 comments3 people in discussion

Vif12vf, pending a reliable source, I've reverted this edit of yours. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's a rather surprising claim that needs supporting. Guettarda (talk) 03:31, 29 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

I made many such edits yesterday, all of them were based on what the parties were listed as on the wiki-pages for these internationals, most of these sections are backed up with sources so i somewhat assume that other editors would remove those parties that dont acctually appear in the sources. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 11:00, 29 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Vif12vf: The page has zero sources. Wikipedia is not a reliable source, and you should never, ever treat it as one. Guettarda (talk) 12:56, 29 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

This ref ^[1] mentions that CDOA admitted UNC as a member at its 11th Congress held in San Jose in 1985. But if UNC was founded in 1989, how could it have obtained CDOA membership in 1985? --Soman (talk) 11:33, 29 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

^[2] has plenty of mentions of UNC being a member party of CDOA. --Soman (talk) 11:35, 29 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

A bit of a primary source, but ^[3] indicates that UNC requested CDOA affiliation in 1993. --Soman (talk) 11:38, 29 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Joined CDOA in 1993. ^[4] --Soman (talk) 11:40, 29 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

I can't access any of these sources, and they're all extremely old. This is an extraordinary claim - that a centre-left Hindu-dominated party is part of a right wing Christian group sounds extremely strange. Can you provide a quote, some context or explanation for this claim? Guettarda (talk) 12:55, 29 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

I think the key here is that 'Christian Democratic' doesn't necessarily imply 'Christian'. Overall, CD parties have stressed that they are secular or, at least, non-confessional organizations. There are plenty of non-Christian Christian Democratic politicians around the world. Notably it appears that CDOA (or ODCA as it is more commonly known) by mid-1990s wanted to expand its scope. As for UNC being 'centre-left', I think that label is quite dubious. --Soman (talk) 13:05, 29 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

I think you're missing a key point here - it's not about the occasional non-Christian in a Christian democratic party, it's about a party whose leadership is predominantly Hindu, whose mobilisation efforts are dependent in part on their links to Hindu orgs, and whose identity, whether you believe it or not, is deeply tied into trade unionism and the social safety net (whether you believe it or not is irrelevant). This is a party that needs to turn out almost all of the Hindu vote and most of the Muslim vote in order to win elections.

There's zero mention of this group on the UNC's website. I'm not saying this is impossible, I'm saying it's very strange. So I'm just asking for a quote, for some context, and for something to suggest that this is an ongoing affiliation. Because it's an extremely strange proposition. Guettarda (talk) 13:29, 29 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Few links on the role of Basdeo Panday in CDOA: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12] . I think we can say with safety that UNC was affiliated with CDOA. --Soman (talk) 01:58, 30 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Please stop adding this without consensus.

There isn't a single link that's current
Panday is no longer affiliated with the UNC
If it's worth including in the infobox, it should be something that is discussed in more depth in the article. So please, if you want to include it, if you think it's notable, find some sources that discuss this in relation to the UNC. Guettarda (talk) 13:27, 26 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

References

^ Katarzyna Krzywicka; Edward Olszewski; Artur Blaim (2000). Christian Democracy in the Modern World. Maria Curie-Skłodowska University Press. p. 157. ISBN 978-83-227-1510-9.
^ ODCA informa. Organización Demócrata Cristiana de America. 1991.
^ XIV Congreso de ODCA: documentos fundamentales. ODCA. 1995. p. 219.
^ Panorama centroamericano: Reporte político. Instituto Centroamericano de Estudios Políticos. 1993. p. i.