Talk:Union Street station (BMT Fourth Avenue Line)

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GA nomination edit

@Kew Gardens 613: I think we should remove the GA nomination template for now which would probably be a quick fail because of this article plenty of unsourced content and image.-- Happypillsjr 04:55, 26 March 2020 (UTC)Reply

GA Review edit

This review is transcluded from Talk:Union Street station (BMT Fourth Avenue Line)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: 1.02 editor (talk · contribs) 10:47, 1 April 2020 (UTC)Reply


Hi, I will be taking this review and that of 86 street station. Expect comments soon. 1.02 editor (T/C) 10:47, 1 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Comments edit

Article is fairly short, but mostly fine. The article is suitably illustrated and does not have any copyright infringement. There are some issues that need to be fixed.

  • There should be some mention on the history of the station in the lead.
  • Passenger statistics need to be updated
    • 2018 is the latest stats available. The MTA usually makes the previous year's statistics available at the middle of the next year, i.e. June 2020 for the 2019 stats. epicgenius (talk) 01:43, 4 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • Also, is 'peak direction' a thing? I have never heard of it before.
    • Yes. Passengers per hour per direction is higher in the peak direction during rush hours than in the off-peak direction. For instance, there are more riders in the morning toward Manhattan, and more riders in the afternoon away from Manhattan. @Kew Gardens 613: I think some anti-peak W trains stop here, too. epicgenius (talk) 01:43, 4 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • Details on construction should be included in the History section
  • The start of the paragraph on the second renovation mentions southbound platform, but the end mentions 'brooklyn bound' and 'manhattan bound', please standardize.

Reliability of source edit

Epicgenius I have questions about the reliability of the website subwaynut.com, it is clearly stated in the website that it is a blog and quoting the website 'This is a hobby website. as per WP:SPS, "if the information in question is suitable for inclusion, someone else will probably have published it in independent reliable sources". Furthermore, some of the images cited cant be used as a reference for the statement, as in the case of ref 37 which dosent show a change in celing height to establish that it is lower than normal. Sorry if it seems like i'm nitpicking, but it would be better if the statements could be sourced by a more reliable source, same goes for other blog refrences. 1.02 editor (T/C) 04:29, 11 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

1.02 editor, no problem. Image sources may be used to cite obvious facts (like there is tiling on the platform), but for things like ceiling height, we do need another source. epicgenius (talk) 01:47, 12 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hold edit

I will be putting this on hold for now until the issues are resolved. Will do a second round afterwards. Thanks 1.02 editor (T/C) 09:11, 2 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

@1.02 editor: Thanks for taking this up. I should be able to address some of the issues today. Stay safe.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 12:48, 2 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
@1.02 editor: Due to the Jewish holiday of Passover and the Sabbath on Saturday, I won't be editing from tonight until Saturday night at the earliest. I wanted to let you know to make sure that you know that I am still committed to addressing the aforementioned issues.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:50, 8 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
@1.02 editor: I think all of the issues mentioned so far have been addressed. Also, due to Passover, I won't be able to do any editing from tonight until Thursday evening at the earliest. I am still committed to addressing your concerns with the article. Thanks for your patience and stay safe. @Epicgenius: Thanks so much for helping out!--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:08, 14 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
Kew Gardens 613, no problem. @1.02 editor: Can I ask that you defer making the decision about whether to promote all the 4th Avenue Line pages until Thursday at the earliest? I would like to nominate these all as part of a single DYK. epicgenius (talk) 23:10, 14 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Epicgenius: do you plan on nominating 59 and 25 street station also? They are currently unreviewed and i can try to review them if needed. 1.02 editor (T/C) 04:35, 16 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
1.02 editor, yes, I think so. I'd ideally want to nominate Prospect Avenue and 45th Street as well. epicgenius (talk) 13:25, 16 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Epicgenius and Kew Gardens 613: the reviews has been going on for quite a while already, how about i pass the 5 articles that i have reviewed first and the remainder at a later date? edit the issues on 77st and Bay Ridge ave articles have not been addressed yet so i cant pass those 2 articles. 1.02 editor (T/C) 13:53, 17 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
1.02 editor, I think you can pass Union Street, 86th Street, and 95th Street if you think these are good. epicgenius (talk) 16:31, 17 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
@1.02 editor: I agree. @Epicgenius: thanks for your help. Passover is done, so I should have more time. I was spending today to catch up with the virtual classes and work I would have done over the last couple of days.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 22:11, 17 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
Ok I will pass the first three articles. 1.02 editor (T/C) 00:12, 18 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
Apologies but the issues on 86th street article hasnt been fully addressed yet. Pls fix it up first then i can pass it. 1.02 editor (T/C) 00:37, 18 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Did you know nomination edit

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Improved to Good Article status by Kew Gardens 613 (talk) and Epicgenius (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 12:41, 25 April 2020 (UTC).Reply

Individual reviews
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:   - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Review of 9th street DannyS712 (talk) 19:53, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Talk:Fourth Avenue/Ninth Street station/GA1 is just over 7 days before nomination, but IAR

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:   - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Review of 25th street DannyS712 (talk) 19:57, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:   - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Review of 45th street DannyS712 (talk) 19:57, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Talk:45th Street station (BMT Fourth Avenue Line)/GA1 is also a tad over 7 days, but IAR

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:   - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Review of 53rd street DannyS712 (talk) 19:57, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:   - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Review of 59th street DannyS712 (talk) 19:57, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:   - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Review of Union street DannyS712 (talk) 19:57, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:   - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Review of Prospect avenue DannyS712 (talk) 19:57, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

General

@Epicgenius: for ALT1, I struggled to find the fact on the source linked - where on the page is it / what paragraph am I looking for? --DannyS712 (talk) 20:43, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Also, ALT0 isn't really interesting, and can I suggest "9th" instead of "Ninth" to be consistent? --DannyS712 (talk) 20:45, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
DannyS712, thanks for taking this up. ALT1 is actually split up into two different locations in all these articles. I will add these sources to the lead of all the articles. Yes, we can switch "9th" for "Ninth". I have suggested ALT2 too, same source as ALT0. epicgenius (talk) 20:49, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Epicgenius: I meant where in the source is the information / what paragraph in the source page am I looking for? --DannyS712 (talk) 20:52, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
DannyS712 For ALT1, for the first source, the relevant paragraph is on the right side of the page toward the top. The second source is offline. For ALT0/ALT2, the relevant page range is offline but you can check this source too. epicgenius (talk) 20:59, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
BTW, the Eagle source also mentions a competition between two trains using the Sea Beach and West End lines, stopping at these stations. Would that make for a good hook? It is not cited in these articles yet. epicgenius (talk) 21:01, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, found the part in the source for ALT1. But, it appears to only say the extensions were authorized / funded, not that they occured --DannyS712 (talk) 21:05, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
@DannyS712: I might have picked the wrong source. Could you check out ALT3? epicgenius (talk) 21:10, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
The stations aren't all mentioned in the source for alt3 --DannyS712 (talk) 21:15, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
All right, for ALT1, I have added this source to all the articles. For ALT0/ALT2, five of the seven stations are mentioned (all except 45th and 53rd) and there are other sources (like this and Cudahy) which show that all of the Fourth Avenue stations opened at the same time. I will add these soon. epicgenius (talk) 21:25, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
@DannyS712: So apparently my ALT3 was wrong. I have added an ALT4. Can you take a look at this? Many thanks. I have also fixed the sourcing for ALT0 and ALT2 across all pages epicgenius (talk) 21:50, 27 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
I have collapsed the individual reviews to make this more manageable, and removed the AGF for the source for the hook, since it looks like it'll be a different hook than the one those were for. I'll take a look at the alts proposed. Other than the hook being interesting, in the articles, and cited, the other requirements are met. --DannyS712 (talk) 06:10, 28 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
ALT0:  N not interesting
ALT1:   Rejected Source does not confirm the hook - it says the extensions were authorized / funded, not that they occured
ALT2:  N not interesting
ALT3:  N Was withdrawn by nominator
ALT4: Interesting enough, AGF for offline sources. Will check that it is in all the articles and sourced, but barring further complications it should be okay
  Alt4 is approved --DannyS712 (talk) 03:28, 1 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

  Unfortunately given the overlap between articles, some of these fall short of the minimum 1500 characters of original prose. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:50, 17 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

@Yoninah and Nikkimaria: Would it be all right to remove the 45th and 53rd Street links, given that they are almost identical up to the Exits subsection? These seem to be the odd ones out (having not opened with the rest of the stations). So basically this? epicgenius (talk) 17:03, 17 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
What content are you counting towards which article? Nikkimaria (talk) 17:08, 17 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
Okay, seems to add up. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:36, 17 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
Promoting ALT5, which has been approved verbally. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)Reply