Talk:Undang-Undang Laut Melaka

Please delete paragraph without valid sources and international journals

Please delete paragraph without valid sources and international journals Yukiaika3 (talk) 10:25, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia rule for neutral standing

To follow wikipedia rule for neutral standing. This page should delete It was composed by a group of Melakan shipowners, most of whom were Javanese in origin.. Because i cannot find where this source came from. And undang-undang laut malaka is from malaysia. And i cannot find this fact from malaysia source or malaysia international journal. Yukiaika3 (talk) 09:43, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I don't think so. I checked it and the information is true. The cited source is already neutral and valid, it does not side with Indonesia, Malaysia, or any country for that matter. Malaysia source or Malaysia international journal, being written by Malaysian, might not be neutral (chauvinistic about Malays). It ignores the fact that there are actually many ethnicities in Malacca, not just Malays. Verosaurus (talk) 02:37, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Allow me to ping @Xcelltrasi: and @Surijeal: Please join the discussion of the Talk:Undang-Undang Laut Melaka talk page Verosaurus (talk) 03:19, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

From the page history:
-Yukiaika3 said that they did not find the article in the reference. Answer: The information is there, Yukiaika3 does not seem to actually read the reference.

-Yukiaika3 alleges that user Xcelltrasi is from Indonesia and/or works for the Indonesian government, and also a “buzzer”. Answer: This is a blatant personal attack (ad hominem). It does not contribute anything or settle the dispute.

-Yukiaika3 said that this page was about the Sultanate of Malacca in Malaysia so Indonesian people should not edit it. Answer: It’s a fallacy logic, Wikipedia should be able to be edited by everyone provided that they’re using valid references and a neutral standpoint.

-Yukiaika3 said that Undang-Undang Laut Malaka is from Malaysia. Answer: It does not necessarily from Malaysia, the code itself was made when the concept of Indonesia and Malaysia has not been invented in the 20th century.

-Yukiaika3 said that it should use Malaysian journal or reference. Answer: From what I’ve seen, Malaysian sources tend to take side on the Malays. If Yukiaika3 wants to delete the sentence that mentions “It was composed by a group of Melakan shipowners, most of whom were Javanese in origin.”, Yukiaika3 should add a reference that negate the claim. The currently-used reference is neutral in standpoint, it is researched by Southeast Asian professor Emeritus Anthony Reid, who does not side with disputing countries. Surijeal (talk) 03:28, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

While claiming the others were not neutral, it is clear that it is Yukiaika3 who is not neutral here. Yukiaika3 wanted the information to be only from the Malaysian side and rejects the Indonesian side, even to the point that they rejected research done by an Emeritus Professor. Surijeal (talk) 03:30, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@Surijeal: User @Yukiaika3: claimed that @Xcelltrasi: is doing vandalism. They also did the same, and it’s more blatant by only siding with the Malaysian side and rejecting any opinion that does not favor Malaysia. Even saying that the source is wrong and they did not find the reference. Verosaurus (talk) 04:30, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

I think the problem is clear here: Yukiaika3 rejected that the Code was made by Javanese shipowners, and want it to be deleted because it doesn't match his personal view. This mean that they does not actually neutral in viewpoint. Surijeal (talk) 05:42, 23 February 2022 (UTC)