Talk:Tzeltal language

Number of speakers

I have been improving the article, but I have had a hard time finding up-to-date data on the number of speakers. The article itself stated, before I started editing it, that Tzeltal has 280,000 speakers - but no source was given. Ethnologue only give the number of speakers of two of the dialects, Bachajón Tzeltal and Oxchuc Tzeltal. The Ethnologue record on Bachajón Tzeltal does however state that the figure is 215,145, which I have used in the article, but this data is almost 30 years old! Many sources cite I.N.E.G.I., but I haven't been able to find any data in the records myself. The Spanish Wikipedia has several figures. On the Tzeltal page it says 371,430, but on the page on languages of Mexico it says 336,448. Shklovsky (2005) on the other hand gives both the figures 265,000 and 278,000. -- Llonydd (talk) 14:26, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, the list of Mayan languages says 190,000 and the page on the languages of Mexico says 371,730. Together, with the other figures I stated above, there are eight - and probably more - different figures of the number of speakers of the Tzeltal language. Are somebody able to find some up-to-date data, with a reliable source? -- Llonydd (talk) 12:41, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry about the inconvenience. I finally succeeded in finding some reliable and quite up-to-date information myself. I have updated the article. The figure is 371,730, and the source is I.N.E.G.I. -- Llonydd (talk) 12:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I replace a double-negative "almost nobody under the age of 30 is not bilingual in Spanish" with a positive "almost everybody under the age of 30 is bilingual in Spanish." That said, the statement is sourced to the Ethnologue, but in fact the 19th edition of the Ethnologue doesn't say that; the 19th Ethnologue in fact says that there are no monolinguals (the 18th edition reports 50,000 monolinguals). I suppose that every Tzeltal speaker who is bilingual has Spanish as their second language, making the text an understatement. Of course one might argue that there are speakers over 30 who are not fluent in Spanish, making the statement in the text somewhat more true. The population figure in the Ethnologue is attributed to INALI 2000, but I don't believe the mono-/bilingual status is taken from there. At any rate, for now I'm just leaving the text with its qualification of "under 30". Mcswell (talk) 04:26, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

References

Is it OK or not OK to add a link to my undergrad thesis about Tzeltal language? URL: http://linguistics.kirill.org/KS-thesis-large.pdf

I think it's OK. Hey, you had John Haviland as your advisor! -- MikeGasser (talk) 15:54, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Nice grammar! FWIW, on the question of basic word order: another linguist and I once acted out a transitive sentence in which one of us hit the other. The Tzeltal speaker accepted most orders (SV(O), OV(S), VOS; I don't recall whether SOV was acceptable), but did not accept VSO. My assumption was that SV(O) and OV(S) orders represented topicalization, and that VOS was basic. Mcswell 18:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I cant make the link work.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 19:10, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Apostrophe-like character

In the consonant table, the character for plosive apirated glottal stop is U+0027 ' APOSTROPHE. However, the character used in the rest of the table is U+02BC ʼ MODIFIER LETTER APOSTROPHE. I suspect these should actually be the same? Also wondering if they could all be converted to ASCII apostrophe for ease of use, or if we need to maintain these as letter-like characters as we do for {{okina}} and friends. English Wikipedia generally uses ASCII apostrophe rather than the curved one, per MOS:STRAIGHT. -- Beland (talk) 19:52, 27 July 2023 (UTC)