Talk:Tyndall

Hello,

I am trying to track down the Tyndall Family Coat of Arms. Here is what I have found so far: Scottish Coat of Arms and Irish Coat of Arms

The arms above appear to have been downloaded from a website with little historical accuracy - although they will have been used by a Tyndall in the past. The coat of arms in the Visitation of Essex for the main branch of the family (then of Hockwald and Maplestead) has around 20 quarterings, though the Tyndale portion - which I understand derives right back to the Northumberland days of the family - is a fesse under three wheat shieves (a fesse is essentially a straight wide horizontal line accross the coat). The crest is a plume of five ostrich feathers out of a ducal coronet of five oak leaves, over which is an ermine charge. The legend behind this (that the feathers were five of the feathers of King John of Bohemia captured by a Tyndale, the others going to the Black Prince, is related in the article.

The Tindal (later Tindal-Carill-Worsley) family, adopted the Deane arms (the second quartering in the Essex visitation): a fesse dancette gules under three crescents), the Tyndale's being heirs of Deane and established there in the middle ages, but retained the crest. These arms can be seen in the engraving of Rev Nicolas Tindal, the translater of the History of England by Paul de Rapin.

I suggest the original arms and crest be put up in the main body of the article, with the Tindal arms in the appropriate section.

|Tyndale Arms done.Francis Hoar (talk)

Disambiguation?

Given the other meanings of the word 'Tyndall,' ie, the various place names, organizations and so forth, including the mineral Tyndall stone, I think a disambiguation page might be useful. (I'm a real newbie so I'm not sure how to go about that.) Parables 06:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Name of Article

This article should be called 'Tyndale'. This was the first spelling of the family at Talsover and at the time of William Tyndale, its most famous member. 'Tyndall' is the spelling of the Irish branch but, along with 'Tindal' has been used only since the 17th century or so. I suggest the site is copied to an article called 'Tyndale' and merged.Francis Hoar (talk)

Appreciation to other editors

As the original author of the first-cut effort at this article, I offer my thanks to the fellow wikipedians who, over the past few years, have contributed richly and sensibly to make this article a truly interesting and highly informative one. Well done! This is how our wiki-community should thrive. Keep up the great work and collaborative spirit. Seneschally (talk) 23:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Correction?

in the first paragraph in the section titled: The Tyndall Family and the Throne of Bohemia

When King Richard II married Anne of Bohemia, daughter of the Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV, she brought with her first cousin, Margaret of Treschen, daughter of Litvaticus, Duke of Tescen in modern Silesia by his wife Elizabeth, sister of Charles IV and daughter of John the Blind, King of Bohemia. This lady married Sir Roger de Felstead (or Bigod), of Felstead in Essex, a standard bearer at the coronation of Richard II and their daughter, Margaret, married Sir Thomas de Tyndall of Talsover and Deane.

I have seen different versions of the origin of Margaret of Teschen, they all claim her mother is Elizabeth, sister of Emperor Charles IV, who died in infancy, and her father is a Duke of Teschen that doesn't seem to exist.

I think the confusion comes from the large number of women named Elisabeth that are connected to the Kingdom of Bohemia and the Duchy of Teschen and the foreign sounding names of the Dukes of Teschen.

Elisabeth of Hungary - betrothed to King Wenceslaus/Wenzel/Václav III of Bohemia, became a nun.

Eliska/Elisabeth of Bohemia - sister of King Wenceslaus, wife of King John the Blind of Bohemia and mother of Holy Roman Emperor Charles/Karl IV

Elisabeth - sister of Emperor Charles and daughter of King John the Blind and Eliska of Bohemia, died at age 16-17 months.

Elisabeth of Bohemia - daughter of Emperor Charles, married Albert III of Austria.

Elisabeth of Bytom/Beuthen - wife of Duke Premislaw I Noszak of Teschen/Cieszyn, daughter of Duke Boleslaw/Bolko of Bytom/Beuthen and Margareta von Sternberg.

Elisabeth of Pomerania - fourth wife of Emperor Charles, mother of Anne of Bohemia

Elisabeth of Teschen/Cieszyn - daughter of Duke Casimir I of Teschen, became a nun, died 1364.

Viola of Teschen/Cieszyn - sister of Duke Casimir, widow of King Wenceslaus, aunt of Duke Premislaw by blood and aunt of Emperor Charles by marriage, adopted the name Elisabeth after her marriage to King Wenceslaus

if Margaret was the daughter of a Duke of Teschen, these are the three generations surrounding her approximate birth year.

Duke Casimir I of Teschen/Cieszyn married Euphemia of Czersk, if he had a daughter named Margaret she would have been considered too old for marriage in 1381.

Duke Premislaw I Noszak of Teschen/Cieszyn married Elisabeth of Bytom/Beuthen, if he had a daughter named Margaret she would have been about the same age as Anne of Bohemia.

Duke Boleslaw I of Teschen/Cieszyn was about three years old when Anne of Bohemia was born.

Duke Premislaw negotiated the marriage of Anne of Bohemia to King Richard II of England (He may have also negotiated the marriage of his own daughter at this time) He was Duke of Teschen from 1358-1410. Anne of Bohemia and her entourage arrived in England in 1381.

If Margaret of Teschen was the daughter of a Duke of Teschen and a woman named Elisabeth and related to Anne of Bohemia, then her parents would have to be Premislaw I Noszak of Teschen and Elisabeth of Bytom. She would have been Anne's second cousin through the marriage of King Wenceslaus to Viola of Teschen.

I have issues with the rest of this paragraph but no good arguments to back them up.

When King Richard II married Anne of Bohemia, daughter of the Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV, she brought with her first cousin, Margaret of Treschen, daughter of Litvaticus, Duke of Tescen in modern Silesia by his wife Elizabeth, sister of Charles IV and daughter of John the Blind, King of Bohemia. This lady married Sir Roger de Felstead (or Bigod), of Felstead in Essex, a standard bearer at the coronation of Richard II and their daughter, Margaret, married Sir Thomas de Tyndall of Talsover and Deane.

here is what my version would look like...

When King Richard II married Anne of Bohemia, daughter of the Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV, she brought along her second cousin, Margaret of Teschen, daughter of Premislaw I Noszak, Duke of Teschen by his wife Elisabeth, daughter of Boleslaw, Duke of Bytom and Margareta von Sternberg. This lady married Sir Simon de Felbrigge of Felbrigg Hall, a standard bearer at the coronation of Richard II and their daughter, Alana Felbrigge, married Sir Thomas de Tyndall of Tansover and Deane. 99.32.3.91 (talk) 09:02, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

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