Talk:Tupac Enrique Acosta

Wiki Education assignment: Environment and Justice

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 9 January 2024 and 24 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Liss123456789, Sggiraffe (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Liss123456789 (talk) 18:33, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Sourcing

Saguaro23 Thanks for your recent edits to this article. I noticed you made two minor edits in the section Tupac_Enrique_Acosta#Career. I also noticed that the sources were there before you started editing are not great and are probably not acceptable as WP:RS. Do you know why? Can you find better sources to improve the article? --David Tornheim (talk) 09:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @David Tornheim! Two of my students are working on this article. They meant to be working on it in a draft stage but it seems to have been published quicker than intenced (not sure if this was by them or others). I've encouraged them to go ahead and edit other people's work where they can make improvements. More specifically, we've discussed the Tonatierra website not being a great source, and potentially the Indigenous Environmental Network website as well, and they plan on replacing them with better sources. Saguaro23 (talk) 20:22, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

@Saguaro23: Ooops. Sorry. I thought you were a student. LOL.  :) Thanks for letting them know. I think it would be fine for them to work on fixing things that have poor sourcing or inaccurately summarize content of the RS.

I asked another student about a list of sources they provided on the talk page about whether they might be able to give links to the actual articles. Most of them were just the DOI entries. I know it is not required that the RS be available online, but it does help everyone who wants to verify the information. Do you know if the kinds of sources that your students will be using will be available to look at for free online? I know for one case, I was able to sign up for free as a student through a university I was at at the time. --David Tornheim (talk) 21:58, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

@David Tornheim I am one of the students working on this article and went ahead and replaced one of the sources and removed another entirely. As mentioned, the article did get published earlier than intended leaving the resources a work in progress. I'm currently compiling a bibliography and have found that most of the articles free to access online were DOI entries, unfortunately. Some of the other resources I have found are through my universities online library tool, and like you said, that requires a university affiliated login to access. I will keep my eyes out for resources that are free to access, so they can be verified. Sggiraffe (talk) 01:35, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Sggiraffe: I am going to ask at WP:RS/N about what we are doing about articles like these, unless you or your instructor (Saguaro23), would prefer to ask about it. The policies may have changed since I first started Wikipedia many eons ago. Please let me know what you think. I don't want to make your work harder. I'm hoping there might be other ways to get at the sources for people like me that are not in the university.

Also, it's not a big deal that the article got published too early. As long it passes WP:GNG, it will likely survive WP:AfD--especially if the article is not a mess, is not a bunch of puffery, is not composed mostly of unreliable sources, etc. Sorry to use the acronyms we all use here. I gave you the links if you want to look up what they mean. Or you can just ask me. --David Tornheim (talk) 07:55, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @David Tornheim. The Wiki Education program supporting this class assignment pitches part of the value of their work as getting content from paywall-protected publications incorporated into Wikipedia via university students. @Helaine (Wiki Ed) or @Ian (Wiki Ed), perhaps you could help guide us here?

The students will be continuing to work on building out their bibliography and drafting content in their sandboxes, and then moving their work into the main article, between now and late April when our semester wraps up.

@Sggiraffe, I see that the Spanish language version of the article you have linked to has an English-language version as well, but the English language version is behind a paywall. I lean towards keeping the open-access one, in Spanish, rather than the English version behind a paywall. (Although perhaps the Spanish language one would be behind a paywall as well if I clicked on it a few more times and used up some quote of free times to access it...?) Saguaro23 (talk) 17:10, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

one more thing @David Tornheim and @Sggiraffe... this link to the "Corriendo Educando" article in the International Journal of Critical Indigenous Studies appears to be open access to me https://ijcis.qut.edu.au/article/view/96/96 Saguaro23 (talk) 17:13, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

The Wiki Education program supporting this class assignment pitches part of the value of their work as getting content from paywall-protected publications incorporated into Wikipedia via university students. Ah. I was not aware of that. Makes sense. Sounds good. I won't post at WP:RS/N then. I may be more hands off now--especially since it will be hard for me to look at the publications. And I have other things to focus on at Wikipedia now. Thanks for your interest everyone. --David Tornheim (talk) 18:18, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Redlink

Duckmather Is there a reason you added a redlink (Izkaloteka) in this edit. Were you planning on creating an article for it? --David Tornheim (talk) 09:27, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Original Deletion

The first version of this article was deleted in July 2021. I believe it was deleted by administrator Daniel. Daniel: Were there any references in the original article that was deleted that can be incorporated back into the new article? I doubt it would make sense to request an undelete, since it might overwrite the work that has been done this year and the work presently being done in the WikiEd course. --David Tornheim (talk) 09:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)