Talk:Tuesday Weld

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distant relatives

Is there really any point to listing so many distant relatives? It seems pretty "un-encyclopedic." So many names are listed with no indication of the degree of relationship, or how that relationship might have some relevance to Weld's own life. Simply listing anybody who's related, no matter how remotely, with no supporting references, and no indication of why the relationship is notable, just doesn't belong here. It's a list of trivia, which is contary to Wikipedia's standards.

I'm an eighth-degree relative of a former president, a ninth-degree relative of a popular movie actor, a twelfth-degree relative of a notorious 19th-century criminal, and a remote descendant of an important European historical figure. None of these trivial facts would be relevant on my biography, except perhaps the direct ancestor. My parents, siblings, and descendants would be much more relevant, despite their lack of fame.

I'll check back here, and if nobody comes up with a compelling reason to keep the trivia, I will revise that section, retaining only close relatives or relevant relatives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.154.250.193 (talk) 16:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

 Done. HairyWombat 20:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Tuesday Weld or Patricia Morrow

Cannot find Tuesday Weld in "The Wrong Man"; Patricia Morrow and Bonnie Franklin played the "giggly girls" in this Hitchcock picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quandolaluna (talk • contribs) 09:14, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

IMDB (Which you linked to) even credits Weld. A search through google books finds many reference which state Weld was in The Wrong Man. Justeditingtoday (talk) 09:17, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Do not remove references simply because you disagree with them. That is vandalism. Justeditingtoday (talk) 10:14, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

I know numerous written sources list Tuesday Weld as appearing in the film "The Wrong Man" as one of two "giggly girls". These sources are wrong. Patricia Morrow and Bonnie Franklin are the two uncredited "giggly girls" in the film. Someone decades ago thought it was Tuesday Weld (when it was actually Patricia Morrow) and published it in a book which then got repeated everywhere else. I cannot locate Tuesday Weld in this film and I defy anyone to find her in this film, "The Wrong Man" directed by Alfred Hitchcock. Patricia Morrow is being confused with Tuesday Weld. My attempts to correct this on Wikipedia are edited out by well meaning but simply wrong people who think they are helping but are actually making Wikipedia less accurate. This is not a matter of debate: simply show me a single frame in this film, "The Wrong Man", that has Tuesday Weld in it. Just one frame of film. I contend that it simply cannot be done. Tuesday Weld is not in this film and the secondary written sources are wrong. This small uncredited performance is by Patricia Morrow. Moreover, it is a fundamental injustice to attribute an artist's work to someone else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quandolaluna (talk • contribs) 16:43, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

The written sources are just plain wrong. Someone mistook a very young Patricia Morrow for a very young Tuesday Weld years ago and wrote in a book that Tuesday Weld appears in the film "The Wrong Man". Again, there's no debate here: show me a single frame of the film "The Wrong Man" that has Tuesday Weld in it. It cannot be done because Tuesday Weld does not appear in this film. They are both great actresses but the point here is accuracy. Patricia Morrow and Bonnie Franklin are the two uncredited girls in this film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quandolaluna (talk • contribs) 17:00, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

You can claim sources are wrong but your opinion isn't what matters here. Verifiability matters. The sources say Tuesday Weld was in The Wrong Man so the Wikipedia article says Tuesday Weld was in The Wrong Man. Find reliable sources that say otherwise and we can have a discussion. Justeditingtoday (talk) 20:41, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

I am relying on a reliable source: the film itself! The film "The Wrong Man" is the ultimate primary source! Not what someone writes about it. In an uncredited role, Patricia Morrow was mistaken for being Tuesday Weld by some writer of a book decades ago and the rumor spread. Just watch the film! That's Patricia Morrow. Nowhere is Tuesday Weld to be found. It can happen; they were both very young at the time and there was some resemblance so somebody mistook one actress for another. But this uncredited performance in a bit role is the work of Patricia Morrow.Quandolaluna (talk) 22:46, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't know how to make this clearer: that is original research. It doesn't matter what you personally believe you saw in a film. Wikipedia is about venerability and references (which you have deleted) state Weld was in that film. Your actions are disruptive. Please cease attempting to ram your personal views into articles. Justeditingtoday (talk) 12:37, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

I only want the truth: it is a fundamental injustice to attribute the work of an artist to another person. I need your help and suggestions. How can we resolve this dispute? I'm not conversant in the way Wikipedia resolves disputes. There is some way to allow third parties to intervene. If a falsehood gets published and then is disseminated widely, how can it be corrected? Sincerely, I am not interested in an argument. It's no skin off my nose if there is a misattribution. I am not trying to ram through my personal views. What care I who gets the credit? It's nothing personal to me; personally I couldn't care less. It's a film (The Wrong Man) that's over 60 years old. Who cares? I got a life to live and it's just an old movie. What bothers me is that a falsehood is being perpetuated. The performance of an actress is attributed to someone else and that rankles me as a complete injustice. All I am asking is that folks take a second look and not rely on secondary sources. IMDB admits on its site that they haven't verified the attribution to Tuesday Weld in this film. Leonard Maltin mistook Patricia Morrow for being Tuesday Weld. Once he published that, it got repeated everywhere. I get your point: "TCM say it's Tuesday Weld! Leonard Maltin says it's Tuesday Weld! IMDB (unverified) says it's Tuesday Weld! Why believe some guy on the Internet?" [Notice, by the way, Tuesday Weld herself has never claimed she was in this picture (The Wrong Man); it's always secondary sources.] I write in good faith. Is there a way to have people take a second look? Is there a way to get the world community at large, to sort of "outsource", so people can look at the film closely? If they do, they'll see I'm right. Stop and think: suppose this guy is right? Suppose it's a misattribution. Shouldn't that be corrected? Just try to see it my way for a moment. Help me get others involved so that they can watch the film and get to the truth. Tuesday Weld is either in the movie or she is not. It's easy to figure out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quandolaluna (talk • contribs) 16:56, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

The way we resolve this is that you make yourself familiar with policy. WP:V states that Wikipedia does not publish original research and you are pushing your own perceptions into articles. Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. You have no evidence that a "falsehood gets published and then is disseminated widely" and until you do, there is nothing to discuss. You are wrong and your actions are against policy. Reliable sources state that Weld was in The Wrong Man. Some editor claims otherwise. Guess which one Wikipedia is going to use? Justeditingtoday (talk) 19:19, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

I am not "wrong", as you put it. The two "giggly girls" are Bonnie Franklin and Patricia Morrow. Any human with eyes in his/her head can plainly see that. Allow me to at least alert readers and they will check the film "The Wrong Man", which is the primary source, for themselves [the Alfred Hitchcock film "The Wrong Man" is readily available on Amazon or elsewhere on the Internet]. Hence, I am not wrong; I am right. One day the truth will out. It is unfair to both actresses to have such a manifest and obvious misattribution: Unfair to Ms. Weld and unfair to Ms. Morrow. An artist should have his/her work properly attributed. The truth will out, despite the Wikipedia and their policies. I only hope readers will check the talk page (and then go check the film itself!) and see for themselves. The primary source, the film "The Wrong Man" itself , plainly and unmistakably shows the two young ladies as being Bonnie Franklin and Patricia Morrow. Why do I protest so vehemently? Because this is not a minor point. This is a masterpiece by the great Alfred Hitchcock. One performer's work is being misattributed. It should be corrected. All I want is the truth. Someday, somewhere, people will see that I am right.Quandolaluna (talk) 06:59, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Older photo than age 21

Why is the photo of her at her oldest is her at age 21? This is a common Wikipedia occurrence. Is there a reason for it other than worshipping youth? Yo bailaba (talk) 16:42, 3 December 2023 (UTC)