Talk:Trafford Centre

Ref 4

The fourth citatibon is a broken link and therefore unverified —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roborrye (talk • contribs) 09:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Trafford Centre Compared to other Centres

The Trafford Centre has never been the biggest in the UK! When it openned it was 1.2m sq ft (Actually just slightly bigger than Manchester Arndale at the time, IIRC just under 1.2m sqft). At the same time the Metrocentre had 1.5m sq ft or retail space.

When Bluewater opened it took the crown of the largest UK shopping centre, weighing in at 1.6m sq ft. In 2004 the Metrocentre reclaimed its crown with an extension taking it to 1.8m sq ft.

The proposed extension mentioned will take it to 1.4m sq ft, which will still leave it some way behind the Metrocentre, and Bluewater. AFAICT it will be of a similar size to Meadowhall and the extended Manchester Arndale (both 1.4m sq ft) or Lakeside (1.3m sq ft).

81.158.240.6 13:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

i think the problem you have here is that the units are not the same. It is infact 118 million square metres, not feet for the trafford centre, i dont know about the other shopping centres, but it is definitley 118 million square metres for the trafford centre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.85.75 (talk) 21:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I would check your facts, that would make it twice the size of, the South China Mall - at 600,000 sq m generally regarded as the largest on the planet. In reality the Trafford Centre is infact about 7th in the UK behind Metrocentre, Bluewater, Westfield Merry Hill, Lakeside, Manchester Arndale, and Meadowhall. I dont need measurements to tell me that - I can see the Metrocentre is considerably bigger just from walking around. Pit-yacker (talk) 22:11, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Number of Anchors

The Trafford Centre's own info doc says that it has 6 anchors [1].

Bhs - approximately 5,659sq.m

Boots - approximately 5,102sq.m

Debenhams - approximately 12,152sq.m

John Lewis Partner(opens May 2005) - Approximately 20,438sq.m

Selfridges - approximately 19,481sq.m

Marks & Spencer - approximately 4,274sq.m

Pit-yacker 17:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Regent or Regents

I can confirm it is Regent Crescent not Regents as I have just visited the centre today Penrithguy 22:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Alternative use as a prison

The suggestion in Trivia that 'If the Trafford Centre, hadn't turned out successful, it was going to be turned into a prison. It is easy to see from the layout how easy it would have been to convert', is totally inaccurate and should be removed. It is improbable that Peel would take a chance on building the Trafford Centre, not to mention the planning hoops that had to be jumped through of they thought it would fail its intended purpose. The building bears no resembelance to a prison. Suspect this is an attempt at vandalism from someone dislikes the architecture of the building and should be removed Squadgy 21:11, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

This sounds very similar to a common urban myth that circulates about numerous student halls of residence that the building's design was based on a low security prison.

However, on the subject of the architecture I'm sure that I remember when the centre opened that the architect was quoted (in the times I think)as saying Peel hadnt listened to a word he said and predicted it would close within 20years. If someone has free access to newspaper archives they might like to look this up.

Pit-yacker 21:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

M&S, Trafford Centre bigger than Bluewater?

This needs a citation. It could also do with re-wording as it isn't exactly clear what it means - I'm assuming that the branch of M&S in the Trafford Centre is bigger than the branch of M&S in Bluewater. If so, so what? What is notable about this? Or is a blow by blow account of relative sizes of different branches of different stores called for? For example I'm willing to bet the Manchester Arndale branch of Next is bigger than the Trafford Centre's branch but is this really worth mentioning in an article? Pit-yacker 19:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree, this is hardly worthy of note - the largest M&S according to the Wikipedia entry is Oxford Street, London, so I can't understand why someone would want to compare against Bluewater, which in itself isn't a store famed for its size.Squadgy 20:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Parking - are there really 10,000 spaces?

The centre has 16 car parks - Regent 1 & 2 (lower and upper levels respectively, of the deck car park adjacent to the bus station), Regent 3 (an overflow to the rear of R1&2), Peel 4 & 5 (lower and upper levels respectively, of the deck car park on the other side of Selfridges), Peel 5a, adjacent to John Lewis and the Peel Deck car parks, Peel 6a & 6b, adjacent to John Lewis, Peel 7, an overflow car park to the rear of 6a & 6b with access from the M60 via a slip road, used during very busy periods, Peel 8, adjacent to 6a & 6b and the coach park, Peel 9, adjacent to the main Orient car parks and the M&S Food Hall entrance, Orient 10 & 11, directly opposite the Great Hall and entrances directly to the Orient, Orient 12, adjacent to Frankie & Benny's, also close to the Nandos side entrance to the Orient, Regent 13, close to the Trafford Centre staff entrance and Peel Holding's offices, and finally Regent 14, adjacent to the revolving doors entrance to Debenhams and the petrol station and bus station. Claims of 10,000 parking spaces are somewhat suspect due in part to the construction of The Great Hall, which required removal of some spaces, and the extension to the new Barton Square site, which is being linked via an over-road bridge, taking space in the Peel 4 & 5 car parks. There are also areas of Orient 11 sectioned off at present. I wouldn't like to be the one to count them all, but I wouldn't take that claim at face value, despite what the official literature might say.

           R3                                                   
     BUS  R1&2    /-SELF-\   P4&5    P5a                  
    |----|--------        ----------|----| P6a                    | ^^^^^^^^^^ |
R14 |DEBS|  REG              PEEL   |JOHN|           P7           |M60 MOTORWAY|
    |----|-----| |--------| |-------|----| P6b                    | vvvvvvvvvv |
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              |              |        CP   P8            
     R13      |    ORIENT    |   P9                       
              |              |                            
              \--------------/                                                      
     O12       O11        O10                             
                                                                                                                                                                                       -----------------------------------------------------------
R:- Regent                                                
P:- Peel                                                  
O:- Orient                                                
CP:- Coach Park                                           

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This is a very simple diagram of how the centre looks, its actually not straight all the way along and definitely not to scale, but it will suffice. Does anyone know actually how many spaces there are?

90.201.14.61 13:19, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 05:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Saddened to have to do it

I was saddened to have to place the {{advert}} tag on this article, but enough is enough. It has become an advertising vehicle, even including instructions on how to avoid traffic jams getting into the centre.

What had been a decent article has now been seriously compromised. A sad day. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 08:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Size

The trafford centre has currently 137,347m2 which is correct. But not anymore! It had now opened a 20,000m2 new exension called barton sqaure!

http://www.traffordcentre.com/media/InfoLearning/traffinfo.pdf http://www.traffordcentre.co.uk/inspiredinteriors/bartonsquare http://www.aidan.co.uk/photo9433.htm

That means the total new size is 157,347m2 which makes it the 2nd biggest in england! Is it o.k to change?—Preceding unsigned comment added by TOOEDDD (talk • contribs)

As far as I can tell it has already been incrememnted for Barton Square, from 118,766 m² to 137347 m² Pit-yacker (talk) 14:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I already increased the size after visiting Barton Square. ^┌_Joshii^┐_└^chat_┘ 14:23, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Capital Shopping Centres, the new owners of The Trafford Centre, list the size as 1,900,000 square feet which a quick calculation gives me a figure of 176,515.776 m2 http://www.capital-shopping-centres.co.uk/about/portfolio/ Flibblesan (talk) 11:02, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Improving the article

Over the next couple of weeks I am intending to revamp this page and have already started doing so. Some of the extracts on this page were out of date and I have started to remove or update them. Also if anyone finds more references/sources then that would be much appreciated, the page could do with some more to be honest. Stevo1000 (talk) 13:18, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Why the Trafford Centre page should never have been renamed

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I don't know why it was renamed:
1. No-one calls it the "Intu Trafford Centre" or simply "The Intu". See WP:COMMONNAME
2. Wikipedia is not an open advertising site for companies or brands.
3. Page names should be kept as simple as possible. "Trafford Centre" was sufficient enough. See WP:PRECISION
4. If the page is renamed "Intu Trafford Centre" then surely the sentences with "The Trafford Centre..." will have to be rewritten with "The Intu Trafford Centre..." - an unnecessary extra word.
I think I have made my points clear. Stevo1000 (talk) 01:03, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree with nearly all the above - Trafford Centre is the common name and the right title for this article. However this is a breach of WP:NOTCENSORED and the finer details of WP:COMMONNAME. For better or worse (and I happen to think worse) the Trafford Centre is officially (and verifiably - [2]) known as the intu Trafford Centre, and that deserves a mention in the lead, and probably the infobox too. --Jza84 |  Talk  10:45, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Since the official name change the newspapers and TV news have eventually started calling The Trafford Centre "intu Trafford Centre" as seen in articles from Trafford Messenger and the Manchester Evening News. It will be registered at Companies House as intu Trafford Centre, part of intu Properties plc, and the sources cited show that the new name is official, permanant and recognised by sources as such. Trafford Centre was just a brand name for this shopping centre, and that brand name has permanently changed, I respectfully suggest the page reflects that. Justin Webb (talk) 04:07, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Five minutes at the MEN's website here suggests that they use Trafford Centre, so per policy at Wikipedia:Article titles (it's the section WP:COMMONNAME) and the essay Wikipedia:Official names it should stay where it is. Mr Stephen (talk) 11:25, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

However, how is changing the official name of the centre using the site as an advertising service? Clearly, by just simply naming it Trafford Centre, people will be mislead, as that is not even it's name now. I believe and fully agree that the name should be changed, as citations suggest. Tony Fan123 (talk) 20:21, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Everybody uses Trafford Centre. I had a scan around when the terror exercise made the news recently, and all the papers had that. As of just now, the front page of a Google search for trafford centre terror alert 2016 gives hits at The Metro, the BBC, The Daily Telegraph, The Guardian, The Independent, The Daily Mirror, and The Daily Mail. No sign of the extra word. Mr Stephen (talk) 20:59, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

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