Talk:Torksey

Torksey Viaduct re-use/ownership

This article appears to attributing ownership of Torksey Viaduct to Sustrans. The viaduct is owned by the charity Railway Paths (see HM Land Registry title LL194650 or public map of Railway Paths land and structures here). It was bought on 4 January 2001 from British Railways Board, and title was registered on 19 January 2001. The citation for ownership points at the Railway Paths website, it is broken and has been described as 'Sustrans Torksey Bridge page'. The current page is here.

The article states that Sustrans applied for planning permission. The application was made by Railway Paths, Sustrans were the agent not the applicant. This can be verified by following the citation link, the operative statement found on the linked page is: 'Railway Paths Ltd, through its agent Sustrans Planning, successfully sought permission for Torksey Viaduct, which once carried a railway over the River Trent.'

(I have a declared interest in providing authoritative facts on Railway Paths land and structures, backed where possible by primary sources. I am a single purpose account and rely on other editors to check my suggestions and edit articles when they have verified my information.)

Dpembert (talk) 18:20, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect inferences are being drawn:

• This article appears to attributing ownership of Torksey Viaduct to Sustrans. No such implication is made for ownership anywhere in the present article
• The article states that Sustrans applied for planning permission. The article does not make that implication - it states "The environmental charity Sustrans has carried out work on the viaduct..." and "They obtained planning permission in 2015 for the paths, which Sustrans aimed to link as a walking..."; obtained is not the same as applied for. Dpembert is asserting they (Sustrans) did not apply - but that they obtained planning consent as Agent. This is N/A = not applicable to the present article state.

  This is reverse-synthesis on your part, Dpembert - this (synthesis) criticism is normally levelled at WP contributors who add content that is not supported by the source quoted; in this case, Dpembert is alluding to content that doesn't exist. IMO you are being over-sensitive, 'seeing' things that are not there. Nothing in the Scunthorpe Telegraph article ascribes actual ownership. Consequently I must disagree with your assertions. Furthermore, I do not believe that this in any way ... negatively impacts our charitable work when the ownership of our heritage structures is misreported... (Talk quote in this diff, rather than a link to an extensive discussion).

  Wikipedia is a general-purpose encyclopaedia, an overview, created by non-involved individuals, and not necessarily including minutiae that may be important to those who are involved, particularly at high-level. For other editors' benefit, I have explained (at User talk:Dpembert#David Pemberton's employments and interests) that the broken citation is available archived, and it's normal practice to locate where possible; unfortunately, the Primary sources that Dpembert is advocating a general reference for, do not show the dates, or the revisions, and the present version at Railway Paths Ltd website includes content that was not available when added on 10 August 2015.-Rocknrollmancer (talk) 00:32, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

• Reference '10 Sustrans Torksey Bridge page' points to the Railway Paths website; it is the Railway Paths' page.
• Reference 11: The sentence in the Scunthorpe Telegraph article is, 'Railway Paths Ltd, through its agent Sustrans Planning, successfully sought permission for Torksey Viaduct, which once carried a railway over the River Trent.'.
• The bridge is owned by Railway Paths, HM Land Registry title LL194650.

Dpembert (talk) 07:34, 12 March 2021 (UTC)