Talk:Tor Phone

On adoption section

@Yae4: Why is a tor user needed in Tor phone adoption? That is a different article. Also why should the yahoo article be cited instead of the original ibtimes? --Greatder (talk) 10:56, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Tor Phones use the Tor network. The number of Tor users, using many devices including phones, puts a maximum on the estimated number of Tor Phone users. They are related topics. Please explain about yahoo and ibtimes. I don't understand your question. It has been months since I worked on this article. If you have more or better sources, feel free to add them. -- Yae4 (talk) 09:59, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

@Yae4: A limitedly sold prototype devices can't be an accurately represented by all the tor users. On, the yahoo, basically yahoo and MSN hosts other news organizations article on their site to give them more 'exposure' and vaccum more revenue. Kind of like how most news sites publish a few reuters article every month. So, it's better to use the original article and not use some 'proxy' article. I am changing it back to my version for now. If you still disagree we may enter more talks. --Greatder (talk) 10:20, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

It is an indicator with some useful info', and sourced, and relevant. If you prefer "the original article" then feel free to add it, but only deleting a valid source is not appropriate. -- Yae4 (talk) 11:38, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@Yae4: Why would you cite the same article in different form, reuse it. And I don't think tor users=tor phone users. Especially I don't think there was even a thousand buyer. --Greatder (talk) 08:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Greatder, I probably didn't notice. There is no consensus to delete the eweek source. -- Yae4 (talk) 13:10, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@Yae4: I thought you were alright with changing the section, I guess that was a misunderstanding. Since we have been going back and forth a lot, I will bring in a third opinion so this issue can be mediated. --Greatder (talk) 10:50, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Greatder (talk · contribs), Changing the statement is one thing. Deleting it completely is another. ​​ -- Yae4 (talk) 13:46, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

3O Response: It would seem to me that since this article is specifically about the Tor Phone, including data about the number of Tor users in total is rather misleading (a casual reading might lead one to believe that is the number of Tor Phone users), and not particularly relevant. The cited source doesn't discuss the number of Tor Phone users. It would be more useful here if anyone actually has addressed how many people specifically use Tor via the Tor Phone. If no one has those numbers available, that might be something it's not possible to add to the article at this time, but the numbers on Tor usage in total would be more appropriate for the main Tor article than this one. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 00:17, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Going by featured article criteria #2 - comprehensive; especially "places the subject in context", it seems useful to provide background and context info' for Tor Phones relative to other uses of Tor Network. Some data is available but not so much "reliable source" coverage. It may be possible to provide some primary source data. -- Yae4 (talk) 14:53, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Say it's 2008, "There is no available data on android users. But 50% people use chrome(citation) --Greatder (talk) 16:09, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

How to merge article into tor project?

I would appreciate help merging Tor Phone into Tor Project article. Greatder (talk) 08:31, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Why do you want to do that? JBW (talk) 09:15, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@JBW: Tor phone was a sub-project of Tor Project. Their main project tor browser, as well as other projects are redirected and mainly written there. Update: I think it should be this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_(network) --Greatder (talk) 10:14, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@JBW and Greatder: Follow the instructions listed at {{merge to}} and {{merge from}} to start a discussion. This need consensus. I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 16:39, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@JBW, Greatder, and I dream of horses: I oppose combining the articles. If anything, a new Tor Browser article should be spun off from Tor_(network)#Implementations. Tor Phone should be added to the list of tools at The_Tor_Project#Tools; note Orbot there also has its own article, which needs improvement. Spending some time on those would be more useful. -- Yae4 (talk) 11:53, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Yae4: Tor Phone was a mini-project of tor project so that or Tor network is a good merge point, especially since only there's about 7-10 good lines, which makes at most 2 god paragraph. Others are just random projects thrown in the article. --Greatder (talk) 13:58, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose merge - I don't think there's any reason to merge it at all. - Aoidh (talk) 14:37, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

  @Aoidh, JBW, and Greatder: Note the proposed merger has changed from Tor Phone into Tor Project, to Tor Phone into Tor Network. Please discuss merger proposal here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tor_(network)#Merger_proposal --Yae4 (talk) 22:17, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Ad-blocker and International attention?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MobileDiff/1049905445&markasread=230190088&markasreadwiki=enwiki&diffmode=source

@Yae4: Do you have any reason as to why you believe tor phone has anything to do with an ad-blocker list and a French article is considered international attention?Greatder (talk) 01:45, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greatder: Please start new sections to discuss new issues. Please look at the updated version. The source called Tor Browser on Android (which is a component of a "Tor Phone") one of the best ad-blockers. International attention statement has been removed, but articles in more than one country/language means international. -- Yae4 (talk) 16:31, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Yet tor phone's main feature is that it routes it's internet through tor and not the browser itself. Maybe more than two languages, but two language isn't exactly international. Greatder (talk) 16:44, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

WP:OR October 2021

@Yae4: Which part of this edit is OR? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MobileDiff/1050236638&markasread=230340362&markasreadwiki=enwiki&diffmode=source The git update has not been updated since 2017 and copperhead wasn't updated from around 2018.Greatder (talk) 16:50, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

@Greatder: Again, please start new sections to discuss new issues. If you are interpreting and synthesizing information from a git, it is probably WP:OR. Interpretation and synthesis needs to come from reliable secondary sources. -- Yae4 (talk) 09:55, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

WP:REMOVAL October 2022

@Yae4: Do not include unnecessary text. None of the added text even mentions tor phone. Greatder (talk) 03:19, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

@Greatder: Again, please start new sections to discuss new issues. See WP:REMOVAL. There needs to be consensus to remove cited information. There is no consensus to remove. -- Yae4 (talk) 09:55, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

RfC about removal of content

Should this article contain text and citation not related to tor phone?Greatder (talk) 16:52, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

• Comment - While this is a very non-neutrally worded RfC, yes, content about other ways to use Tor on phones should be mentioned on the Tor Phone article. - Aoidh (talk) 17:13, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• Comment. Summoned by bot. I have no idea what this question means. In general all content in an article should be "related to" the topic at hand. Suggest withdraw this RfC and trout the OP. Bon courage (talk) 17:38, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

 Comment: @Yae4:Greatder (talk) 02:48, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

• Concur with previous comments on RfC wording. The cited information Greatder (talk · contribs) has repeatedly tried to remove is related to Tor Phone and should be kept or expanded. Tor browser or other browsers using Tor on mobile is related to "Tor Phone". See, for example not yet cited(?) discussion here[1]. Mobile operating systems supporting using Tor, Tor browser, or Orbot on mobile are related. Statistics as available are related. Similar privacy, security, or anti-censorship efforts, and using mobiles with other VPN or other alternative networks, are related. -- Yae4 (talk) 14:11, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

  Though of course any such "related" content must have that relationship because of something in sources, not purely because of editors' ideas; that would be WP:SYNTH. Bon courage (talk) 14:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

  CommentTor Mobile≠Tor Phone. If you would like to list usage of for on mobile, then start a new article. Tor Phone article should strictly follow the project 'Tor phone'. Though Tor Mobile usage should probably be appended to Tor (network) or The Tor Project#Tools. You can't just add every privacy security effort on mobile under Tor phone article. In the current state of the article it talks of Tor browser as an ad-blocker(!), something about a ninja phone, Tails on mobile(not the tor phone project), BlackBerry phone, Boeing phone, boss phone, Number of tor users (not related to tor phone users. I brought in a 3rd opinion about this before see #On adoption section. This article is literally a directory at this point.WP:NOTDIR Greatder (talk) 16:13, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

  Comment. @Greatder: See Tablet_computer or Smart_phone (redirect) to see what Tor_phone article could look like after expansion and improvement. So Tor_Phone with 2 caps is the confusion. Moving to Tor_phone with 1 cap is OK, but not the topic of this RfC. Merging was discussed and rejected above. As shown at the top of this page, this article is rated Start. Help with expansion and improvement would be welcomed. -- Yae4 (talk) 19:03, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

• I've removed the RfC template – the question here is hopelessly vague. If comments are still needed, please start a new RfC that's neutrally worded and focused on a specific, actionable question. Wikipedia:Writing requests for comment may be helpful. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 05:12, 23 February 2023 (UTC)