Talk:Tomiris (film)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tomiris (film)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Some Dude From North Carolina (talk · contribs) 23:54, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I'm going to be reviewing this article. Expect comments by the end of the week. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 23:54, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

• In the infobox, replace <br/> with a "plainlist" or an "unbulleted list".
• Non-free use rationale for the poster looks good.
• "Khazakhstan" – typo?
• Similar to MOS:INFOBOXREF, citations in the lead should be moved to the body of the article.
• I would suggest merging #Queen_Tomyris and #Cyrus_the_Great into a single section titled #Background.
• If someone has already been linked before, remove their links in #Plot.
• "at her early age" – reword
• "Some time" should be written as one word.
• Add "the" before "Persian capital".
• Avoid using a lot of commas in short sentences.
• "Almira Tursyn, a psychologist, was chosen from 15 thousand people to play the role of Tomyris. She took professional lessons of horseriding and archery. She also learned to use swords and knives." – I would suggest moving this sentence to #Production since it feels weird to have it be the only sentence in #Cast.
• I still think #Production is too short for a GA article. Try expanding it.
• "The budget of the film" → "The budget for the film" or "The film's budget"
• Since they are short, #Release and #Critical_response can be merged.
• Add "the" before "Middle East".
• "Distribution in the United States and Canada was picked up by Amazon Prime Video." – move this to the first paragraph of #Release
• Resolve the "citation needed" tag.
• #Historical_authenticity could fit within #Production.
• Add "an" before "artificially".
• Add "the" before "vicinity".
• "The clothes worn by the Massagetae in the film is" → "The clothes worn by the Massagetae in the film are"
• "of different style" → "of different styles" or "of a different style"
• Are the external links to Instagram and Twitter necessary?

Thank you very much for your delightful work and specific suggestions. All of them have now been thoroughly implemented, and I'm looking forward for your further remarks. Thank you once again and take care! --Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 02:38, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

@Visioncurve: Thank you for the update. The article appears to contain several one-sentence paragraphs. Try merging them per MOS:BODY. Also, #Plot has links of people already linked in #Background so I would remove those links. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 02:44, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

@Some Dude From North Carolina: Thanks for your latest remarks. They are all done as well. Thanks and take care!--Visioncurve^{Timendi causa est nescire} 16:03, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

I am not satisfied with the state of the article. Reviews need to be more detailed. The obviously political purposes of the state-sponsored movie generated much news - cover those bits. TrangaBellam (talk) 11:43, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Progress

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Al-farabi

The movie is told through Al-Farabi. This is a key feature not mentioned in the article. Kdammers (talk) 06:09, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Background

VC, there never existed any historical Tomyris. I, as a reader, got the opposite impression from reading the background section!

While Herodotus himself presumably remains no less committed to the truth in portraying Cyrus’ campaign against the Massagetae (1.201–14), he no longer makes the confident truth claim that introduced his account of the king’s origins. Otherwise, however, an apparent lack of reliable sources for this far-flung venture induces Herodotus to describe his own narrative as merely probable rather than true.

In the geo-ethnographic prelude to the campaign narrative proper (1.201–3), the repetition of the verb forms legousi (‘they say’) and legetai (‘it is said’) and the use of indirect statement make it clear that Herodotus is transmitting what unidentified sources say about these remote regions and their inhabitants, with the implication that he does not or need not believe it all himself. The size of the islands in the Araxes river and the lifestyle of their inhabitants are described as reported by others; so too the extraordinary practices of the Caucasus tribes, including their coupling in the open, like herd animals. Such strange local customs evoke an exotic, savage world where much lies beyond belief. We are on the periphery of Herodotus’ world, where reliable knowledge is hard to come by. And, even so, we have not yet reached the land of the Massagetae, who live beyond the Araxes, in a plain that lies an ‘infinite distance’ (plēthos apeiron, 1.204.1) to the east of the Caspian Sea.

Herodotus’ implied reservations about the factuality of his narrative become explicit in the metanarrative comment that marks the end of the campaign logos: ‘As for the events concerning the end of Cyrus’ life, of the many accounts in circulation this is the most persuasive one told to me’ (1.214.5). [T]he lack of solid evidence for the final stage of Cyrus’ career lamented by modern scholars, hindered ancient enquiry as well.

Helene Sancisi-Weerdenburg concedes that Herodotus’ account of Cyrus’ final expedition may have some basis in Iranian oral tradition, but is otherwise a characteristically Herodotean composition with recurrent features also found in his portrayal of unsuccessful campaigns launched by subsequent Persian kings—by Cambyses against the Ethiopians, Darius against the Scythians, and Xerxes against the Greeks. Comparison with other extant accounts of Cyrus’ campaign by the Hellenistic historians Ctesias and Berossus reveals that, while all three authorities have the king dying on the north-eastern frontier of his empire, Herodotus takes Cyrus much farther to the north and east, across the Araxes River. And, although How and Wells decry this as a geographical error ‘in defiance of all probability’, this extreme choice of locale suits the familiar Herodotean pattern whereby Persian kings cross physical boundaries (most often rivers) to invade distant foreign territories, where they are defeated by peoples who are poorer and more primitive than their invaders.
— Chiasson, Charles C., "Myth and Truth in Herodotus' Cyrus Logos", in Emily Baragwanath, and Mathieu de Bakker (eds), Myth, Truth, and Narrative in Herodotus Oxford University Press. 2012

TrangaBellam (talk) 19:16, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Reactions

It would be very helpful to include some reactions from sources that were not commenting on the film's political position or which story it is based upon, but instead on the film itself. Whateley23 (talk) 09:01, 7 September 2023 (UTC)