Talk:Tomara dynasty

Caste status

I have just removed Rajput from the lead section, which was recently added by an IP contributor. Yes, the article does mention this but it is also clear that the ancient records are unreliable etc. We should not be making such weighty claims in the lead section unless there are reliable sources for it. I am fairly sure that the thing has been removed several times in the past. - Sitush (talk) 09:32, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

I have edited on a survey which shows tomars are Rajputs Raja8416 (talk) 20:00, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

The article should state that the supposed Rajput status of the Tomara dynasty is an anachronism. It should say "The medieval bardic literature named the dynasty as "Tuar", and anachronistically classified them as one of the 36 Rajput clans, despite the fact that the Rajput identity did not even exist at that time. The Rajputs actually originated in the 16th century.". The claim that Tomaras are Rajputs only dates to a later period, and doesn't make sense given the fact that Rajputs only originated in the 16th century. In fact, the Rajputs were notorious for claiming descent from a variety of dynasties, including the Suryavansha, Chandravansha, Agnivansha, Chaulukyas, Gahadavalas, Chahamanas, Tomaras, Paramaras, etc. Rajputs and their bards (charans) fabricated genealogies in order to legitimize their rule.They used legendary poems to substantiate their claim, most notably Prithviraj Raso. The poem depicts so-called older Rajput clans working together, and was used by Rajputs to foster unity and offer a shared history.The poem is by and large an historically inaccurate and is disregarded as a reliable source by historians.Chariotrider555 (talk) 14:30, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

References

Already There on Main Page of This Caste About Anachronism. This are highly Controverisal Things so we prefer to avoid Such Claims as Much As Possible specially about Caste status There can be user who will add Scholary sources to dismiss anchronism Theory Which can be indeed so many as History can Never Be judged from One side of Coin.There are several Accomplished scholar who Reject Anachronims theory of Such Topics.

Thats why I am Big Fan of Brittanica they stick with established sources Their article itself are written by scholars on All Political and Other Issues Unlike Wikipedia where editor edit as per their views Fair enough There are chances we can write these

Also None of this source Mention about Tomaras or anuthing like That Stop Copying Citation From Wikipedia better use own Mind and Be more Practical. I add Best Older Version confirmed by Senior editors To Prevent edit Wars.Samboy 01681 (talk) 16:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources to back up any claims, otherwise it just amounts to your personal opinion, which is original research, which is prohibited on Wikipedia. Also read WP:TERTIARY and WP:BRITANNICA. Also be sure to read this essay Wikipedia:I just don't like it. Chariotrider555 (talk) 16:29, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Adding to what Chariotrider555 said: Controversy is not a reason to avoid reliably-sourced content: see WP:NOTCENSORED. If there are "several Accomplished scholar who Reject Anachronims theory", please cite those sources. utcursch | talk 16:31, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

What is Point in Citing Them End of day u cite those Whicj suit ur Own narrative or Agenda i got Ton of Sources . I already requested for deletion of My Wiki account Hopefully it will be. Samboy 01681 (talk) 18:19, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

If you have a "Ton of Sources", you should be able to provide and cite them. Make sure that they are reliable sources. Chariotrider555 (talk) 18:22, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Didnt a User cite tons of Sources on Jiachand Talk Page ???? Anyway As i said Stop posting meaningless requests on Films talk page. Samboy 01681 (talk) 18:40, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Chariotrider555 someone removed our text from that page. Anyways whatever you said that's true. In a flow, I didn't take the deep depth before writing about mughal, arab , Persian etc. But whatever they are doing is just a wrong way to prove Rajputs to everybody. Well, As I realised you doin hard to stop them spreading bogus info on Wikipedia about various dynasty. All the best.☺️ Ravi mavi (talk) 18:57, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Samboy 01681 What Kinda a fan of Britannica🙄 As I also found that It is clearly mentioned Gurjar king to Prithviraj Chauhan at various places in older version of Chand bardai, but later on after the various interpolation till 19th century. finally, Britisher James tod wrote Rajput king to him in his 4th version of Prithviraj raso. But, I don't wanna be indulge in this caste war and what I think that Hindu samrat or Indian king would be better. Even, Britannica itself defined the word Rajput as a (son of King) which means a designation for all the king of every Dynasty/kingdom which I believed later on become a caste just only at the time of Britishers. Thus, Indian king or Hindu samarat is fine to be called. Ravi mavi (talk) 19:59, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Samboy 01681 hey come on😧 all this books were written lately at the time Britishers n all. Still ASI didn't find any copper plate, razor, inscription, Archeological materials etc related to the word Rajput or Rajputra etc.

1. but about the Gurjar/gujjar Identity a lots of material excavated by Archeologists some of them are :-

• Nilgund inscription (866),Māru-Gurjara architecture
• The 6th century Tamil text Manimekalai mentions a temple of "Kucharakudihai" or "Kuchcarakudihai" workmanship Some scholars interpret this word as the Tamil transliteration of "Gurjara"
• Chinese traveler Xuanzang describes a kingdom named Kiu-che-lo and its capital Pi-lo-mi-lo. These two words have been identified as Chinese transcriptions of "Gurjara" and "Bhillamala" (Bhinmal). This kingdom was located in present-day Rajasthan, surrounded by Mo-la-po (Malwa), U-sha-ye-na (Ujjayini), Po-lu-kie-che-po (Bharukaccha), Fa-la-pi (Vallabhi), and Su-la-ca (Saurashtra) which later on changed as Gurjratra or Gurjrasthra.
• Ragholi (Balaghat) copper plates,The 812 CE Baroda copper-plates,
• The Arab merchant Sulaiman, in his Silsilat Al Tawarikh (851 CE), mentions then Gurjara,
• The 866 CE Sirur and Nilgund inscriptions of the Rashtrakuta king ,
• The Karhad plates of Krishna III state the word gurjar/gujjar
• The Badal Pillar inscription of the Pala ruler Narayanapala (9th-10th century CE) states them Gurjara-king.
• The 10th century Kannada work Pampa-Bharata mentions -Gurjara-raja Mahipala,
• The 1047 CE Goharwa inscription of the Kalachuri king Karna-deva states that his ancestor Lakshmana-raja (c. 950 CE) defeated the kings of Vangala, Pandya, Lata, Gurjara and Kashmira. Gurjara here refers to -"the ruler of Kannauj".
• The 12th century Rajatarangini mentions that the 9th century Kashmiri king Shankara-Varman defeated Alakhana, the king of Gurjara.
• The Rajor inscription of a feudatory ruler named Mathanadeva describes him as a Gurjara
• Rashtrakutas the feudatory rulers used to called them Gurjara.

1. Now, I ave a Doubt🙄

who were they those changed the name of Saurashtra(before pratihar) to Gujratra(at time of pratihara).

but finally on (30 march, 1948), Rajasthan name is given to a part of it but still Gujranwala city gujaran district in Pak, gujar khan city, gujrat of pakistan, India etc are present. ofcourse, I agreed that Rajputra/ Rajan word is present earlier used for a son of king in Ramayan and Mahabharat. so, may be used by some in mughal s as per the various scholars written work but Prithviraj raso and Prithviraj vijay Mahakavya mentionedd the word Gurjar/gujjar both for Prithviraj g and his father Someshwar g too. So, Pls don't do caste war on it. we are one and related to each other. Ravi mavi (talk) 03:53, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

And what you think about bhagwan Devnarayan chauhan g, a warrior king of 8th or 9th century.😒 Anyways just leave it all. You compelled me to do this stupidity. We are Indians after all. And they were king of all but not for a particular caste. So, spread fraternity not Castism just by downgrading other caste. Be proud whatever you are either Rajput or Gurjar. I know Rajputs are brave and Respectful people. Ravi mavi (talk) 04:06, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Nonsense Claims and have been Exposed badly By Shanti Rani Sharma in Her Latest Book Exploding The Myth of Gujar Identity of Pratiharas Try Reading that book it is supported by Number of Claims Next The Word used in the Raso Edition was Gurjara As Chauhans were fuedatries of Solankis who were called Gurjars due to regional Idenity not Caste staus I am Adding One More recent Search by Brajudal Chattopdhaya in 2009 Who himself said Rajput aquired sense of Heredity in 12th and 13th century Howevee term Rajput and been association with Hindu kingdoms right back in 7th century. Also Gurjra was regional term associated with Even Mohmmad Ghori in Prithviraj Raso. Also The Name of Gujarat is Disputed among Historians and No Historian even In His Wildest of Dream refer Chauhans As Gujjar Dasrath Sharma wrote about Scholary book on Chauhans he too call them Rajputs.and For Kind Information Raso and Hammir mahakavya itself have been written by Rajput Courts So They will call Prithviraj as Gujjar Nonsense Prithviraj was a Rajput his desecedent after defeat at Tarain evolved in Rulers at Ranthambore And they have been mentioned Rajputs in Every Part. Also Hammirmahkavya Trasnaltion was done way back in 1899 and Again And It Present Prithviraj as a Rajput and his army as Army of Rajput Warriors. Also Prithviraj Raso was composed By Rajputs of Medapata to revive their Old hero and Foster Rajput unity against Invading Mughals.

At Last Devnarayan Was never In 8th or 9th century More accpeted View is That he lived well after 13 century even Acc to 1 View Which is less Prominent is he lived during 10th Century and Even Gugga Chauhan a Rajput Ruled at Time if Prithviraj and Acc to some lived in Time of Ghazni and Again Myth if Pratihars being Gujjars has been Eexosed by Shanti Rani Sharma with tons of Sources And she Wrote one more book recently Exposing this Further but i am not intersting in downgrading any Caste But even Claiming on Prithvirja Chauhan Now in Future U will Claim on Rana Sanga,Maharana Pratap Or Chattrapati Shivaji too afterall Rajput clan of Chahamasn And Guhilas(Anchestor of Pratap and Sanga) were well connected with Marriage.

Anyway I am neither Rajput nor Gujjar I am A Sikh from Himachal Pradesh But fact is Fact Rajput Past was indeed Heroic and i admire them Also I am Presenting fact from High scholars like Romila Thapar,Satish Chandra,JN Sarkar, Radheyshyam Chaurasia,RS Sharma,Gopinath Sharma,Brajudal Chattopdhyaa and So On. But to create Caste Wars on Film Articles are Meaningless Infact many of Rajput Clans Originate from Kshatriyas Moris Clan of Rajput lived way back in Medapata from whom Guhilas or Sissodias Succeded. Kushwaha Rajput Clan Too Migrated to Rajputana in 11th Century. Anyway I am not here for Your Rajput Gujjar Caste Horns lock on Blogs and dont waste my time.Also this book arent Written at Time of Britishers it was written by Later Schoalars and ASI Is original reasearch Which arent reliable on Wikipedia Anyway This Claims by Claim has been Tear apart by Shanta Rani Sharma anyway Myth of Calling Pratiharas as Gujjar have also been By Colonial writterns who Call them descend from Huns even though they lived 1000 of km from Where Huns lived also Jadunath Sarkar was one of Rare Historians to use Rajout Sources He didnt go in Origin Debate which i too dont like

Again Dont waste my Time Write a Blog promoting Ur Caste Or create a Road-Strike To Steal others History. I am not going to fight with Caste Boomers I just want to have debate on Ananchronism by quoting Scholary sources which i did Samboy 01681 (talk) 06:15, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Also Raja 8416 Surveys,Govt Searches things like these are not Relible sources for History Subjects Promote Ur Rajput Caste With Sources if u Can otherwise Dont Create controversy.Samboy 01681 (talk) 06:43, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

@[Samboy 01681] You can show me hundreds of paid written work by various scholars.But still failed to explain how Saurashtra become Gurjarashtra and who named various place like gurjaranwala city and district,gujar khan, qila gujjar singh etc so many examples of earlier time as found out on various inscriptions of that time. But you are busy in explaining the scholars written worked lately who themselves don't told how Saurashtra become Gurjaratra. It is the only a power full king could change the name of any place who usually do just after coming into the powers just turks named their country turkistan or turkey. Similarly, you also did the same just after the Independence named the country as Rajasthan which was the part earlier Gurjaradesa ☺️ anyways good for you. Ravi mavi (talk) 09:28, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Samboy 01681 🖕 Don't argue if you don't know anything. Otherwise I will start telling you how Rajputs glorified themselves with mughals and refrain themselves to stop mughals to break down the various temples and architectural designs constructed by gurjar Pratihar and other dynasties. Ravi mavi (talk) 09:34, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Lol 😝😝😝 Feel for U Can call them Paid writters or Whatever Also dissmissed Claims Already by Quoting Tons of High quality Sources And Name Of Region is disputed By Historians as Already Said.(Shanta Rani Sharma,pp=23,2012) Anyway I am Focusing on Delhi riots Page now Which is Edited By biased editors Like u. Have a Good Time I contradicted with Best possible. Also as For Rajputana It was known as Rajputana from earlier times and When Kushwaha Clan migrated to region The Name of State became prominent as Rajputana in 12th Century As Stated by Jadunath Sarkar.(Jadunath Sarkar,1994,pp=21) Now If i will give name of Rajput rulers i wont be able to add them in Century too they produce that many Classical Heroes Most famous Are Prithviraj Chauhan,Rana Sanga,Maharana Pratap even Shivaji Raje claimed himself to be Sissodia Rajput and Shivaji is Greatest Modern Day King of India. Stop Abusing Me With And Show This Finger Better To Your Mother and Father who gave u such Teachings to disrespect Annonymous people on Social Media. Anyway As I Said i am switching Off And Adding Details About Chemistry Articles and Delhi Riots. Peace Out Also I am A Sikh As i add on my Main Page I dont have anything with or Against Any hindu Caste just fighting Anchronism theory With Sources. Not Arguing either and Show this Middle Finger Salute to Yourself. Before calling Paid Historians Jadunath Sarkar was first India historian to recieve Scholarship in 1929 and is regarded by Left and right wingers Both First Be Even 0.1% of Sarkar,Chandra,Thappar then argue.

Bye I am On Delhi Riots article Now and On Narendra Modi.Samboy 01681 (talk) 09:43, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

@[Samboy 01681] listen first that fingure I used to show above para where I didn't mention you properly.so, clean your mind first then, accuse anybody else and don't involve drag parents inbetween the discussion. And Don't tell who states what and which writers wrote what about the writers. Because they are writers and could write anything as per their biasness. Could you pls describe the meaning of the word Rajputana🙄 what stand 'putana' here. I think Rajasthan is better which named a part of Gurjarashtra just after the independence on 30th March,1948.

• Te hun meri gall sun kaka tera patani tu kitho aa. Naal hi punjabi hega vi ya ni. Me aa jalandharo jaddo marji mil lyi.

te itihasa eddaa ni banayi de hunde veere chori naalo. ohde layi ta kurbaniya deni pendiya ne. Jive sadde guruo ne ditti si. Chal changa fer hun chalda me vi. Take care 👍 Ravi mavi (talk) 10:14, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Neutral Points

Caste Boomers Everywhere First of All This is disputed when Rajput identity got its current meaning, Historians are divided But As per everyone Term Rajput has been usee many times to associate with Hindu kingdoms from 7th century onwards Its diff when Rajput As A Caste emerge Jadunath Sarkar has diff view so do many scholars. Ok Now they were Not Gujjars So stop promoting Ur Own Caste. Next There are enough sources to overturn Any of Content on Wikipedia as i did at Tomara page now Next Thing is About Prithviraj Raso Remeber Hammir Mahakavya translation It also present Prithviraj as a Rajput and his more about his descedent Hammir dev Chauhan Next thing is Earliest Copy Of Raso too dont present him Gujjar Read Dasrath Sharma book The earliest Inscription of Raso found at Dhar present him as Rajput too. Its nonsense to say Rajput dont exist Before 16th Century The Muslim Rajput kingdoms exist long way back in Punjab region So where The Hell they became Rajput Muslims?????? Can add more date Also Brittanica Source too Mention Rajput word for Caste as Link is given to Their Page of Rajput. So to deliberately ade Rajput dont exist before 16th century Seems another Propganda. Anyway quoting one source from Romila Thapar which Says about Rajput Rose to prominence in 9th and 10th century this is source from High Universty And of 2004 book wait a Minute. Samboy 01681 (talk) 02:30, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Here is Romila Thapar book About Early India based on Inscription and Primary Sources.
• Romila Thapar (2003). The Penguin History of Early India: From the Origins to AD 1300. Penguin Adult. ISBN 978-0-14-028826-1.

Read pg 418 of this book about Rajputs Thappar is well known Historian anyway

• K. A. Nizami (1992). "The Early Turkish Sultans of Delhi". In Mohammad Habib; Khaliq Ahmad Nizami (eds.). A Comprehensive History of India: The Delhi Sultanat (A.D. 1206-1526). Vol. 5 (Second ed.). The Indian History Congress / People's Publishing House. OCLC 31870180. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

KA Nizami work See Page 132 He add About Emeregence of Rajputs in Northern India between (970-1192) AD

In my opinion we should remove away from Caste claims Atleast on Film articles also I only gave 2 refrences i can give plenty that Rajput caste emerge in 6th century itself wait i will quote.Samboy 01681 (talk) 02:40, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Here is Another book From.Chandra which says Rajput kingdoms became prominent in 10th century and Ghazanvid Invasions.

• Satish Chandra (2004). Medieval India: From Sultanat to the Mughals-Delhi Sultanat (1206-1526) - Part One. Har-Anand Publications. ISBN 9788124110645. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Page 19-26 of book also Chandra Call Pratihars as Rajputs whom This Caste boomers are calling Gujjars. Now everyone known Chandra reliablity one on Pioners of Medieval India. He also call Chauhans Solankis Tomaras Parmaras as Rajputs in early medieval Period.Samboy 01681 (talk) 02:45, 3 December 2020 (UTC) Note: End of Day I am saying to stay away From Such Puzzling theories where Historians Contradicts themselve but atleast Dont promote other Caste Rajput resistance to Muslim Invaders is indeed Legendary and I am a Sikh to acknolwdge that They Lasted 10 centuries till Akbar At time when Iranian Civillization Collopased and so do many. Samboy 01681 (talk) 02:47, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Kaushik Roy (2004). India's historic battles : from Alexander the Great to Kargil. Delhi: Permanent Black. ISBN 9788178241098. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Here is Kaushik Roy book he claimed that Rajput became prominent after fall of Rasthrakuta empire in South and it became hereditary in 12th century now what????? See page Number 32 of his book He also Call Prithviraj Chauhan As a Rajput, These are just few Fact of Matter Is I can add plenty of Sources. I can add to overturn . Also Source of Irfan Habib is not quoted Completely he add on Pahe 79 That there are sources which suggest Anchestor of Martial Rajput Race are already emerging in 11th Century itself.Same book u quoted page 79 of this book 03:00, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Here is Work of Jadunath Sarkar on Kushwaha Rajput Clan of Jaipur who migrated in 12th Century in Rajputana and assist Prithviraj And later Rana Sanga in Khanwa ans Tarain Sarkar too call them Rajputs.Samboy 01681 (talk) 03:05, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Jadunath Sarkar (1994). A History of Jaipur: C. 1503-1938. Orient Blackswan. ISBN 978-81-250-0333-5.

Here is Link to GN sharma Work about Rathores who u said they descend from Gahadavals, Rathores origin is far older than Gahadavals They were promiment in Pali Region way back in 9th century and they became prominent in Rajputana in 13th Century in 1230 Ce with Rao Simha their first ruler,Maldev Rathore was their Notable ruler.

• Gopinath Sharma (1970). Rajasthan Studies. Agra, India: Lakshmi Narain Agarwal. p. 201. OCLC 137196.

Also Chariotder ur Way of addng anachronism is Wrong U should add They were classified As Rajput Clans in later period although Rajput identity probably dont exist during their time. This is far neutral and less POV Pushing. Samboy 01681 (talk) 03:20, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Fact is I Can add more and More date but its not needed point is simple When Rajput caste emerge is Difficult to estimate Also Rajput House of Mewar with Centre at Chittor is ruling from 8th century and after Defeat of Ratansimha they establish new branch call Sissdoias of Mewar anyway its same family Also Even Going by Bards Rajput past is present. Anyway i quote Tons of Sources should i add more ?????? Also Try reading Dasrath Sharma book unlike those who wrote books only to claim there were no Rajputs. Also Western Geniuses are known to distort indian history with Tag of Chichago and Cambridge anyway I presented my Case Can Add More sources if u like. Samboy 01681 (talk) 03:27, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Here is Another source About Rajput House of Mewar

• Gopinath Sharma (1954). Mewar & the Mughal Emperors (1526-1707 A.D.). S.L. Agarwala.

Sharma breify cover about Rajput Past (page-8,with heading Rana Sanga and Babur) also in Notes he add as Per Inscriptions The Chamacha(sorry for spelling) clan of Rajputs are prominent in Way Remote Paste he add Those Inscription Prove Rajputs Are prominent way back in 8th century and Participated in Campaign against Arab Invaders. Samboy 01681 (talk) 03:33, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

This is about Masscare of Jaddun Clan of Rajputs in Mewar by Balban in mid of 13th Century itself And Khanzada house of Mewat of Muslim Rajputs itself descend from them note this is recorded by Muslim Chronicles as Hunter Quoted from there Sources too. Read out the link of this scholary book. https://books.google.co.in/books?id=Vdv7AQAAQBAJ&pg=PA280&dq=Balban+massacred+100,000+Hindus+south+of+Delhi&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Balban%20massacred%20100%2C000%20Hindus%20south%20of%20Delhi&f=false Samboy 01681 (talk) 03:52, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Also, Rajput in Punjab were Converted to Islam and known as Muslim Rajput best example Is Somgara Clan of Rajput a Subbranch of Parmars So how they became Rajput if Rajput dont exist before 16th Century ????

What about Katoch Clan of Rajputs Its ruling in Kangra from 5th century and all Inscription present them as Rajputs Stop removing Word Rajput from every article.

Hope Common sense will prevail anyway i know i will be blockes because i present high quality sources To Contradict wikipedia. Samboy 01681 (talk) 03:56, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Here is one more Citation From Brajudal Updhayah recent search in 2009 on Page 8 He Quoted Term Rajput has been associated With Several Clans In Early Medieval Period He add However There is diff in Rajput Term in 8th century whereas in 12th and 13th Century It Get Sense of Heredity and Along with Help From Brahamans Patronoge.

https://books.google.co.in/books/about/A_Social_History_of_Early_India.html?id=0tX4wzIUY3QC&redir_esc=y

Page number is in Roman Terms It will be Mug Up. Samboy 01681 (talk) 06:48, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Satish Chandra (1996). Historiography, Religion, and State in Medieval India. Har-Anand Publications. ISBN 978-81-241-0035-6.

Another book of Satish Chandra breifly discussing Rajput And Examining about Their Defeats to Turks in 12th Century Based on Inscriptions He present Prithviraj As Rajputs too. Samboy 01681 (talk) 07:06, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

This Is Most recent Work by Kaushik Roy concluded 2 Months Back He add That Prithviraj Vijay A Contemprary Poem Give us detail about Rajput Warriors and Chahamans Rajput Clan From where Prithviraj-III belong(Prithviraj Chauhan) Page number 11 of the book i will be quoted

He too Add Acc to His search largely on basis of Brujal Chattopdhaya Search in 2009 Which quoted earlier Rajput Aquired Sense of Heredity in 12th and 13th Century.

• Roy, Kaushik (2020-11-04). Military Thought of Asia: From the Bronze Age to the Information Age. Routledge. ISBN 978-1-000-21079-8.

Kautilya’s arthashAstra 3rd-4th century BCE and Kalidasa’s mAlavikAgnimitram (part 5) 1st century BCE refer to rAjaputras on multiple occasions

“राजसूयदतेन मया राजपुशतपरवृतं वसुमं गोतारमादय ।” [Credit: https://twitter.com/Dudore_0309/status/1307271335148572672%5D. Sungpeshwe9 (talk) 12:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

References

Switching Off

My Mind got jerk in This Caste Wars and Historical Stuff I will be back in Few days But as of Now I am shifting to My Fav discussion Of Topic and That is Politics of India Ayurveda and Communal Violences and about Chemistry subject articles also Bollywood And Tv Articles. Cheers have fun. Samboy 01681 (talk) 08:05, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Reason of confliction b/w Gurjars and Rajput over the 2-3 years

I want to introduce you to an issue regarding the history of Gurjars and Rajputs, that ever since the Ram temple issue has come up again, although the ASI report was released in 2003 where they had clearly mentioned that Ram mandir was constructed by Gurjars king but due to the lack of social media at that time, information could not be reach to the people as like now. But ever since this issue has come up again, some people of Gurjar and Rajput community have been tampering with each other's history like some people write Rajput in Gurjar Pratihar related dynasty like Solanki dynasty, Chalukya dynasty etc. It is the same people who are writing Gurjars as well as vandalizing Wikipedia. Various Editors are on Wikipedia, so I introduced you to this problem so that you can know the reason for it. I am giving you some links below to see them in full time and try to understand why some people of Rajput society are writing Rajput instead of the word Gurjar and in return some people of Gurjar society are also doing the same. Which is clearly wrong, please pay attention to stop this vandalism, so you will be very pleased. Thank you

• This is K. K. Mohammad Saheb honored with Padma Shri award by Government of India, former Regional Director of ASI North.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._K._Muhammed

• This is an interview given by him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uru9r1OSlSk&t=74s

1. Sorry English version of video is not available. Ravi mavi (talk) 09:38, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

As i Said Original Researches arent Reliable for Wikipedia Anyway I already tell a Admin to Hand u block for Some Time Also paste this message on Pratihar Clan page not here.Samboy 01681 (talk) 10:02, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

@Samboy 01681 and Ravi mavi: I'd urge you two to maintain WP:CIVIL. Also Ravi, refrain from conversing in Punjabi in an article talk page. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:25, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Samboy 01681 because Wikipedians themselves believe on factual data collected through excavation by Archeologists, Anthropologist and historians instead of written work shown by you of various biased paid writers. Secondly, my complain has been made by a person who himself getting a lots of warning from various editors and admin too. Bye Ravi mavi (talk) 10:28, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

WP:CONADMIN Fylindfotberserk what wrong I did will you please elaborate ? before doing any intervention and accusing someone without knowing the actual fact just shows your biasness. You interpreted wrongly the meaning of that punjabi written part which is I used just because he said he is punjabi but you misunderstood with it that's your own problem not mine. Secondly, Didn't you notice he dragged my parents in between the discussion even though I still haven't said a single wrong word to him. But you specifically warned me. Its my mistake if understood wrong with that icon I used towards the above paragraph where I failed to mentioned him. Try to know the fact first then, accused someone. Okay Ravi mavi (talk) 10:58, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Fylindfotberserk It's not my mistake if understood wrong with that icon I used towards the above paragraph where I failed to mentioned him. Try to know the fact first then, accused someone. So, please you maintain WP:CIVIL and don't show your biasness towards a particular person. Okay Ravi mavi (talk) 11:01, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• if you understood wrongly. Ravi mavi (talk) 11:05, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

@Ravi mavi: Read properly, I told both of you to maintain WP:CIVIL, since some of the posts seemed more personal attacks. Second, talking in Punjabi (te itihasa eddaa ni banayi de hunde veere chori naalo.) is not allowed in an article talk page, even if you didn't say anything especially hurtful. Third, accusing me of biasness above is a personal attack and is against WP:CIVIL, especially since I'm not involved in your and Samboy 01681's edit war here. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:58, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk okay, so, what you want to prove just by putting a part of the full statement like ""te itihasa eddaa ni banayi de hunde veere chori naalo" what's wrong in it ? Ofcourse, nobody should tampered the history of any country, caste, religion etc or by trying to steal just making a lots of bogus changes on Wikipedia page too because people respect them heatly because those kings were sacrificed for our countries. I didn't say anything wrong to anyone personally. As you skiped a part of the statement after it "kurbaniya deni pendiya ne" which means a lots of sacrifices involved to make this history but you are trying to prove me wrong with your half cutting part of the full statement just to manipulate others and supporting temperament by a person who continue to vandalise the Wikipedia even after getting a lots of warnings. I don't agree with vandalism of any Wikipedia page or various history written on it. If you wanna support vandalism you can but stop accusing me violation of WP:CIVIL . I don't like vandalism Thus, I was trying to make a consensus on it with that person on a talk page regarding vandalism but you intervene without understanding me and started accusing me.😟 then, it's okay I'm not gonna make any corrections om Wikipedia. Bye Ravi mavi (talk) 12:34, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Learn to read, I notified both you and Samboy 01681 about WP:CIVIL. Didn't accuse anyone. So stop acting like one and calm down. My point on Punjabi is a separate note to you since one should not be talking in Punjabi or another language in an English Wikipedia. Understand this. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:43, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Oh sorry I didn't know that talking in Punjabi is the violation of WP:CIVIL rule and hateful on Wikipedia. Even though I wrote in punjabi just only after He said that He is punjabi and I thought it would be easy and comfortable for us to discuss the things in our regional language but I don't know peoples like you have highly objection with any other language to use on Wikipedia. If you had any problem with my punjabi language then, you could simply warn me without accusing the violation of policy of Wikipedia. But you showed like I did disrespect, abused or said anything wrong to anyone. Anyways, now I realised my mistake that using the language of other's country or region is highly prohibited and violation of the policies on Wikipedia. Even I was talking Polity and calmly manner. Well Thank you. 👍 Ravi mavi (talk) 13:23, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

You got it wrong, talking in any non-English language (Punjabi included) in Wikipedia (which is an English encyclopedia) is best avoided since a lot of other speakers watch these articles. It is not WP:UNCIVIL, but not a polite thing to do. Consider two friends suddenly start speaking in say for example Turkish, when 10 other people in the group are from different countries. But my initial urge was directed at both of you to maintain CIVIL, whether speaking English or any other language. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:33, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for understanding that it was not the violation of WP:UNCIVIL. Yes, I understand that non-English wouldn't be allow on English encyclopedia which I used to being comfortable with as another person said He is punjabi that's why I say you could give a simple warning to us instead of saying violation of the policy. Yes, Samboy 01681 violated WP:UNCIVIL by dragging parents in between the discussion and saying disrespectful words for me and my parents even though I didn't say a single wrong word to him. Well Thank you. Ravi mavi (talk) 14:24, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2022

The members of the Tomar clan are majorly Jats, the bhagpat district of Uttar Pradesh. Anangpal Tomar I - son of Kandha, re-established Tomar rule at what is now Delhi, the ancient capital of his ancestors. AD 736, Ruled 18Yrs.

After handing over delhi to Prithvi Raj Chauhan, Tomars went to Modern day Baghpat and settled in 84 nearby villages. When Britishers came they saw that their are tomars in all the nearby areas so they called it nation of tomars. Since then that area is known to be as Desh-Khap.

All the Tomars in bhagpat nowadays are Jats and also get the obc reservation.

Tomars are alse found among Rajputs.

Here are the Tomar Jat Villages in Baghpat district Aamvali, Adampur, Alawalpur, Amlapur, Amlapur, Anandpur Urf Bandpur, Anchhad, Angatpur, Arifpur Kheri, Asarfabad, Aurangabad Jathauli, Badaka, Badouli, Bajeetpur, Bamankhedi, Baoli, Baraut , Barnava, Basoli, Bihari, Bijrol, Bijvada, Bijwara, Biral, Bohalla, Budhpur Charajkheda, Chhatarpur, Chhatarpur, Chobhali, Dhikana, Fatehpur Chak , Fazalpurr, Gadhi Kanmaran(Kangran), Garhi-Anchhad, Ghatoli, Goonga Kheri, Gopalpur Khadana, Gouripur, Gurana, Haidarnagar, Harchandpur, Harra, Hasanpur Jiwani, Hilvadi, Hilwadi, Ibrahimpur Majara, Idreeshpur, Jalalpur, jimana-jimani, Jimani, Johadi, Johri, Kambala, Kandera, Kangru Ki Ghadhi, Kanhar Talibpur, Kareempur, Kasimpur Khedi, Kharkhari, Khedaki, Khedi, Khindora, Khiwai, Kotana,Mahavatpur, Ladhvadi, Ladhvadi, Lohadda, Lon, Loyan , Mahwar, Makkhar, Mangdolli, Mavi Khurd, Mavi kalanMukandpur , Mazara, Mukarrabpur Kandera, Nasouli (or Basauli), Ninana, Hilwari , Nuvada, Oudhapur Rahetna, Poosar, Pootthi, Ramgarh (Bamnauli), Ranchhar , Roshangarh (Murdgaon urf Roshangarh), Rustam pur, Sadakpur Jonmana, Shahpur Baroli, Shikohpur, Shikohpur, Sikhera, Sikka, Sirsalgarh, Sirsali, Sisana, Soop , Sothi, Sunehra, Sup, Thaska, Tigri Bagpat. Tohadi, Chhachharpur Baraut , Tyodhi, Vazidpur, Misery .777 (talk) 18:37, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:54, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2023

The above information is misleading and will cause a serious hatereard among the society because tomar 70 percent belong to jat caste and every where only jat are settled in and around the Delhi and even no village of rajput and they are claiming wrong by the use of this article Malkit12345 (talk) 12:34, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 12:45, 17 April 2023 (UTC)