Talk:Tolna County

Requested move to Tolna

Tolna (county) → Tolna - The Tolna county should be located under the title Tolna, because people refers to the county instead of the town in most cases. The old article already moved to Tolna (town). Weekshigh 14:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

For clarity, this is where we are at this moment:

• 14:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC): Tolna moved to Tolna (town) (diff. & diff.).
• 14:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC): Tolna transformed into a redirect to Tolna (county) (diff.).
• 14:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC): Proposal added at WP:RM (diff.).
• Tolna (disambiguation) also exists :-)

Regards, Ev 00:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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• Oppose for consistency within Hungary, as required by the naming conventions on places guideline:

“All place names in an administrative division should share the same form. For example, when one article has been moved from "ShortName" to "ShortName [county]", then all the [counties] within a country should be moved to that form.”

At this moment, in all cases in which a Hungarian county shares the exact name of a city, it's the article on the city that has the "simple" title, as in "Tolna", while the one on the county is disambiguated with the additon of "(county)", as in "Tolna (county)".

I was wrong about other articles on Hungarian counties being consistent in the use of parentheses as disambiguation: some articles use the equivalents of "Tolna county" or "Tolna County" instead. I had merely checked the wikilinks in the Counties of Hungary article & its associated template, instead of confirming under what title each individual article actually was. I apologize for my carelessness. - Ev 20:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

This is valid not only for Hungary or counties, since it is common Wikipedia practice to reserve the "simple" titles for cities, and use some sort of disambiguations for administrative divisions of the same name.

About the article on the city, formerly at "Tolna" and now at "Tolna (town)", I see two possibilities:

• moving it back to "Tolna", and everything stays as before :-)
• moving it to Tolna, Hungary (in accordance with the naming conventions on settlements guideline, and avoiding any confusion with the other towns listed at the disambiguation page), thus reserving the "simple" title for the disambiguation page, or for a redirect to Tolna (disambiguation).

I prefer the second option, but I'm fine with either one :-)

Best regards, Ev 00:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose: The consistency is really important so I withdraw my request. I think the second option is very good, let's do it. Weekshigh 10:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Update on the current situation:

• 10:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC): Proposal withdrawn (diff.).
• 10:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC): Tolna (town) moved to Tolna, Hungary (diff.).
• 10:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC): Tolna (disambiguation) updated (diff.).
• 10:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC): Tolna transformed into a redirect to Tolna (disambiguation) (diff.).
• 20:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC): Tolna (town) transformed into a redirect to Tolna (disambiguation) (diff.).

Regards, Ev 20:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: Since I was wrong on the existance of a single disambiguation technique for articles on Hungarian counties, and currently the equivalents of "Tolna (county)", "Tolna county" and "Tolna County" are all being simultaneously used, I suggest we join the discussion at Talk:Counties of Hungary to agree on which disambiguation technique to use for all Hungarian counties. - Best regards, Ev 20:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)