Talk:Toasting (Jamaican music)/Archive 1

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Toast vs. Rap

As someone unfamiliar with the subject, I'd like this encyclopedia article to discern between toasting and rapping. What's the difference -- and how did one lead to the other? Cribcage 21:17, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

They're both talking over music, but toasting precedes rap. I intend to expand this page when time allows! Paul Tracy 14:09, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Oppose. "Toasting" can have two separate meanings: 1) African American folk poetry, or 2) Jamaican DeeJay shout-outs, but DeeJay (which includes toasting as well as ragga-style rapping) is strictly a Jamaican art form. Badagnani 21:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Oppose. See the Toasters for an example of Toasting. Deejaying is not close to the same thing.

Oppose i agree toasting is an aspect of deejaying and the article is quite complete therefore i do not believe it should be merged

What we should do is be more specific in discerning it from rapping. Because it has a history that is specifically important to the development of rap, and because you don't need to always be a DJ when you're toasting, I Oppose merger.--Urthogie 17:28, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Oppose. Which came first, the toast or the rap? The toast, of course. I own a CD titled "Get Your Ass In The Water And Swim Like Me!" from Rounder Records, CD 2014, UPC 011661201422 that clearly demonstrates what toasting is, and I would have to say that this is very much different from what your average person knows rapping to be. On this CD there are 3 versions of "The Signifying Monkey", and Cab Calloway (swing artist) sings a rendition of the signifying monkey, entitled "The Jungle King" on one of his own albums--indicating that not all toasts are turned into rap. I like toasts, but I generally do not like rap, so there is definitely a difference between them justifying seperate definitions.

?????. I'm not sure what you are all opposing. Where was a merger mooted?Paul Tracy_|\talk

Jamaican

Why does it specifically say Jamaican. Whats is described here was done / is done in most parts of the Anglo Caribbean. Toasting originated from anglo caribbean weddings where speeches are not sedate as it is in north america or europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starbwoy (talk • contribs) 05:24, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Move to Toasting

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move this page from Deejaying to Toasting. Dekimasuよ! 10:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

How can this possibly be the primary meaning? I think both toast (honor) and regular toasting are used more often. Superm401 - Talk 17:33, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

That's right, but there's one thing. The old name of this article was "toasting", not "toast". The "toast" definitely has other meaning that require encyclopedic articles. "Toast", not "toasting", When it comes to "toasting", the primary and probaby the only encyclopedic meaning for this term is the style of vocal. For regular toasting with drinks, an encyclopedic article should be under "Toast", not "Toasting". So it's perfectly OK to have the article on dancehall vocal at "Toasting". Additionally, "Deejaying" title may be misleading, especially when we consider the prenece of deejay article. The statement "A deejay is a person who does toasting" makes much more sense than "A deejay is a person who does deejaying". Thus let's move the article back to "Toasting". Netrat (talk) 00:57, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. I am teetotal and to me the primary meaning of "toasting" is what is done to a slice of bread. Also there is the drinkers' meaning. To me, the use by disk-jockeys comes third. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

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Merge of Deejay here

Two articles about the same topic, it seems. Any objections to merging?--Michig (talk) 06:55, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Merge, definitely. ENeville (talk) 20:26, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

 Done – Fayenatic London (talk) 22:40, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: page moved to Deejay (Jamaican) – Fayenatic London (talk) 22:42, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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• Propose move to Deejay toasting: Both "deejaying" and "toasting" are ambiguous (so, of course, is "chatting"). As the article also refers more than once to "deejay toasting", I propose that the article should be moved to that title. The pages "Deejay" and "deejaying" should probably redirect to "disc jockey" with a hatnote link to this article. – Fayenatic London (talk) 19:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. I've never seen or heard it referred to as 'deejay toasting' anywhere else. --Michig (talk) 19:48, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Nowadays I hardly hear anyone say "disc jockey" either, but we have to have that article under that name because "DJ" is ambiguous. As for "deejay", some people use that when they mean DJ (i.e. disc jockey), so I was hoping there would be a term for this "toasting" which is not ambiguous. A long name like "Toasting (Jamaican music)" would be possible, but the shorter the better. – Fayenatic London (talk) 20:17, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

The most appropriate title would be 'Deejay' followed by disambiguation if required. We shouldn't make up terms that nobody else uses just for the convenience of organizing our content. --Michig (talk) 06:00, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

"Deejay toasting" is used three times in the article, and cited from Rhapsody.com which spelled it "DJ Toasting". – Fayenatic London (talk) 10:48, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Where in reliable sources that are outside Wikipedia is it used? We should name the article after what it is most commonly called, with disambiguation if necessary. --Michig (talk) 17:05, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

What do you suggest? "Deejay (Jamaican)" would follow a couple of others in Category:Reggae. – Fayenatic London (talk) 18:21, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I could live with that. There isn't really an ideal disambiguation, since there are plenty of non-Jamaican deejays and Deejay (reggae) would be problematic since deejaying originated prior to reggae. Still not convinced a move is really necessary though - anyone going to the wrong article can be catered for with hatnotes. --Michig (talk) 16:20, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

• Support; I agree the current title is too ambiguous. Powers ^T 19:48, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
• Support – Deejaying and deejay should be redirects to disc jockey, which is clearly the primary meaning of those alternate forms of the name, with that topic having a much more developed article and more cosmopolitan subject. Also note page views:

Disc jockey has been viewed 213719 times in the last 90 days.

Deejaying has been viewed 14069 times in the last 90 days.

Deejay has been viewed 11150 times in the last 90 days.

Also, I suggest that many of those page views for deejaying and deejay actually reflect pursuit of the topic at disc jockey. The two articles currently at deejaying and deejay should be merged (as proposed there) and moved to another title. I don't have a better suggestion than deejay toasting. ENeville (talk) 20:11, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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