Talk:Timeline of the Red Sea crisis
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Operation... what?
editI'm holding off on the daily cascade of events. E.g. these most recent military operations under the aegis of Operation Prosperity Guardian presumably have their own names. We just don't know what they are yet! kencf0618 (talk) 14:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Is the current title too narrow?
editThe subtitle is currently "Attacks on shipping in the Red Sea and Indian Ocean 2023–2024", but that doesn't really correspond to the current article title. David O. Johnson (talk) 18:48, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- It is narrow enough. To my thinking the Red Sea became a theater of the 2023 Israel-Hamas War, and a crisis in its own right, when the attacks on shipping began. Hence my focus on the maritime aspect. The assorted missile strikes on Israel is a matter I'm leaving for other editors - I don't want to spread myself too thin. kencf0618 (talk) 23:53, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
St. Nikolas
editThe seizing of St. Nikolas by Iran seems completely unrelated to the subject of this article. More the settling of an old score involving the vessel's seizure last April, when named Suez Rajan, for carrying embargoed Iranian oil, see here. And of course, hardly in the "Red Sea Theater" - Davidships (talk) 02:17, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
- Good point. The Houthi haven't made any statement, but I am loathe to have the article's title riggered yet again or to just take that hijacking out, at least not at this juncture. I would wait on events. kencf0618 (talk) 15:15, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
- What sort of event is awaited? Have any RSs claimed that this is anything to do with the Houthis or with the Gaza war? If so, please indicate. If not it shouldn't be in the article at all. It is as irrelevant as this? - Davidships (talk) 11:26, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Crew, Cargo, and Date Format
editFor starters, the Galaxy Leader: 17 Filipino nationals, 2 Bulgarians, 3 Ukrainians, 2 Mexicans and 1 Romanian citizen. Cargo, none ("in ballast"). As for the date format I'm partial to yyyy-mm-dd or dd-MTH-yyyy for the main table. kencf0618 (talk) 14:50, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- I propose these details be separated with their own column so that the details of the attack look less bulky and cluttered. Borgenland (talk) 14:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- How's this template? I'd rather not change everything by hand, though...!
| Date | Ship | Flag | Crew | Attack Type | Details | Ref |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 19 Nov | Error: {{Ship}} missing name (help) |  Bahamas
|
Bulgaria, Mexico, Philippines, Romania, Ukraine [1] | Piracy | Boarded via Mi-17 and sailed to Hodeidah, Yemen, where she is now a tourist attraction. Israeli Abraham Ungar, part owner. | [2][3][4] |
kencf0618 (talk) 18:48, 1 February 2024 (UTC)Kencf0618
- I would add a field for the type of ship: tanker, containership etc. There is more reliable data than actual cargo (which is often not known), and useful relevant for sorting. Davidships (talk) 11:34, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe. Ships have prefixes, and God knows what the Houthi's full criteria are. In any case this is a very, very international business, and the crews are at risk. kencf0618 (talk) 14:24, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- ^ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/crew-seized-galaxy-leader-allowed-modest-contact-with-families-shipowner-2023-12-05/
- ^ McGarvey, Emily; Costa, Ana Nicolaci da (20 November 2023). "Japan condemns Yemen's Houthi rebels hijack of cargo ship in Red Sea". BBC News. Archived from the original on 24 November 2023. Retrieved 24 November 2023.
- ^ Sabbagh, Dan (4 December 2023). "Three commercial vessels attacked in Red Sea by Houthi rebels, says US". The Guardian. Archived from the original on 26 December 2023. Retrieved 29 December 2023.
- ^ Wells, Kane (23 November 2023). "Hijacking of Galaxy Leader has broader implications for marine war underwriters: Skytek". ReinsuranceNe.ws. Archived from the original on 25 November 2023. Retrieved 29 December 2023.
Rubymar
editSome confusion has led to the proliferation of the self-contradictory "Belize flag, British-registered" ship. It began with a Houthi statement that MV Rubymar is British-registered (no mention of Belize); but appears to have been repeated by security company Ambrey. Well it cannot be both, and all the maritime sources confirm Belize registry (unchanged since the ship changed hands in 2020 - before that, Panama), see Equasis, Class NK. What some sources have rightly noted is that the registered owner, Golden Adventure Shipping SA, has an address in Southampton (in a residential apartment, as it happens), though it is not a British company. Is it acceptable to omit the claim of Rubymar being British-registered? - Davidships (talk) 21:13, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Color-code
editThanks to whoever came up with the color-code; it hits the right note and guides the eye. I would denote the attacks which resulted in injuries with yellow as well, but given that red is already marking signal events I am open to suggestions as how we should denote fatal attacks. Shifting the spectrum to green-yellow-red, perhaps? Including a black band in the upper left hand corner of the Details box? kencf0618 (talk) 16:00, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've decided to ascribe yellow, aka #90EE90", for Damaged; Not Diverted explicitly for those ships which were cited as having proceeded to their scheduled port of call. I'll bring out my Cite Fu later for the others. kencf0618 (talk) 00:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Red should be used exclusively to sunk or captured vessels.Mr.User200 (talk) 01:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Can someone check the history of the Marlin Luanda routes to check if she was actually diverted following the January strike on her?
editTitle
Ideally someone should do that for most vessels here and report the results D1d2d3d29 (talk) 15:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- I can't do that myself i don't have a vesselfinder subscription D1d2d3d29 (talk) 15:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Variegated TBD
editI'm making a virtue of screwing up the formatting by working on this developing piece here. Not only is much unknown, various elements are going to stay that way!
| TBD/ |  Antigua and Barbuda, etc./
|
9 June 2024./ | Missiles & small arms./ | Three unidentified ships were attacked, causing fires on two (and quickly contained on one). No ships diverted, reportedly/ | [1] |
kencf0618 (talk) 13:19, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Houthis identified the vessels as Norderney and Tavvishi, and they claimed an attack on HMS Diamond (D34). (JPost) Chomik! (talk?) 13:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. I've decided to use my sandbox for my initial drafts from now on. It's easier on me, and won't clutter things up here. kencf0618 (talk) 21:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
Something that could be a useful pdf
editYEM_Houthi-Attacks-Pressuring-International-Trade.pdf (dia.mil) D1d2d3d29 (talk) 22:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Sattelite imagery of tutor bulker oil slik
edithttps://x.com/SynMaxInt/status/1803467617103147230 D1d2d3d29 (talk) 19:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Can we get this on wikimedia commons? D1d2d3d29 (talk) 19:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
Someone made an edit to the Rubymar entry
editSomeone made an edit to the Rubymar entry claiming that in addition to a missile it was also hit by an Unmanned underwater vehicle (submarine drone). What is the source of that claim? D1d2d3d29 (talk) 17:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Width of tables
editIs there any reason why column 5 of the tables should not be widened to, say, 650px to ease readability of the extensive descriptions and reduce scrolling? - Davidships (talk) 16:17, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- Good idea. I've made the edit such that now (depending on the quantity of information) one might have three incidents on the screen or as many as nine, all readable. I've also taken the liberty of decreasing the unnecessary white space of some of the other columns. kencf0618 (talk) 22:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)