Talk:Tiberius Claudius Drusus (son of Claudius)

Comparison to Nero

I fear that in these words The Roman historian Tacitus wrote that the people were not satisfied with this match as they were with the betrothal of Claudius Drusus's cousin, Nero Caesar, son of the popular general Germanicus Julius Caesar. Probably it was felt the nobility of the family (nobilitas familiae) was to be polluted; Sejanus was not of senatorial rank and his appointment as a praetor in 20 AD was an unprecedented novelty Tacitus has been misinterpreted. Nero, who was Germanicus's grandson not son, wasn't born for another fifteen years or so after Claudius Drusus was betrothed to Sejanus's daughter Aelia Junilla. This definitely needs correcting, but at this moment i cannot; happy days, Lindsay^Hello 17:44, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@LindsayH: Yes, the link directed to the wrong Nero Caesar. Tacitus speaks of Nero Julius Caesar. I'll fix it, thanks. GPinkerton (talk) 18:44, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks. I expected it to be something simple like that (so easy to use an incorrect wlink), but simply couldn't take the time yesterday to sort it. Thanks for doing so; happy days, Lindsay^Hello 05:15, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 22 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to Tiberius Claudius Drusus (son of Claudius) (non-admin closure). Jenks24 (talk) 09:40, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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Claudius Drusus → Tiberius Claudius Drusus (son of emperor Claudius) – Tiberius Claudius Drusus – Generally the full Tria nomina should be used for ancient Romans. ★Trekker (talk) 13:47, 22 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. BegbertBiggs (talk) 19:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

• • Update Considering everyones comments here I have changed my proposal to be to move this page to Tiberius Claudius Drusus (son of emperor Claudius) instead.★Trekker (talk) 22:49, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
• Comment – that rationale based on "generally" and a term unknown to most wikipedians is no substitute for a rationale based on policies and guidelines. So I'll oppose if I don't see it amended to explain better. Dicklyon (talk) 00:24, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
• Another comment – the proposed target is taken. It's a redirect to a different (I hope) ancient Roman. So you'll need to propose either a primarytopic takeover or a disambiguation of the name. Therefore, I consider this proposal malformed, and suggest it be withdrawn and reformulated while it doesn't have any supports or opposes. Dicklyon (talk) 00:27, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
  • That (eventually) goes to his dad, the Emperor Claudius, aka Tiberius Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus, according to the article - but no "Drusus". The nom indeed needs to say how this should be handled. Johnbod (talk) 04:07, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support in principle, but the title will still need disambiguation, since the most famous Tiberius Claudius Drusus is the emperor Claudius. Perhaps the best title would be "Tiberius Claudius Drusus (son of Claudius)". This is not ideal, since from a technical standpoint all of the male Claudii could be described as "son of Claudius", but readers will probably understand that it means the emperor in this case, and the present title "Claudius Drusus" is not at all helpful: omitting his praenomen does nothing to indicate who it was. Other typical forms of disambiguation don't seem possible, as he held no magistracies; and we cannot use his date of death, because we're not sure exactly when he died. P Aculeius (talk) 13:20, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

  Sounds good. While we are at it, is it a mistake that the lead sentence of Claudius does not include "Drusus" in his name? Johnbod (talk) 15:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

  I think that his changing nomenclature needs to be addressed either in the lead or the first section—currently his birth name isn't discussed at all, as far as I can see, and his father's name isn't given where you might expect it, early in the second. So this could be handled better than it is. P Aculeius (talk) 21:36, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.