Talk:Threekingham

Timing

It is quite possible that there was such a battle in 870; such things were certainly going on in that period. The names given may have been those of people active at the time, they are certainly those usually given but they are suspiciously like the known names of men from a later period. They may have been adopted by re-tellers of the story for lack of accurate information.

However this may be, the links to Leofric, Earl of Mercia and Morcar are misleading. Neither Leofric nor his son Ælfgar, Earl of Mercia, nor his grandson, Morcar, Earl of Northumbria was born in 870. Even Leofric's father, Leofwine, was not born until about 80 years after the date of the battle.

One further point is that while the men involved on one side will have been Danes, those on the other will have been of Anglian descent. They seem to have spent much of their time at odds with the Saxons. Indeed, Leofric, Earl of Mercia was a strong adversary of the Saxon, Godwinson family, originally from Sussex and leaders in his day, of the Saxon faction. (RJPe (talk) 10:32, 17 December 2009 (UTC))

I agree. Contemporary documents include mentions of battles in the general region. I've not seen a mention of this one, but the Anglo Saxon Chronicle, for example, tells us that in 870 the Danes overran part of the country, including modern-day Peterborough area - about 28 miles south of the village - so the omission is unlikely to be significant. We have to be circumspect about our modern understanding of the word "king", and be aware of the fragmented nature of the country, which only began to come together after the Danish invasions made some kind of unity necessary.

Key to understanding the section are the opening words: "Folklore suggests..." Twistlethrop (talk) 19:07, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Originality of part of this article

Except for the spelling of "Car/Carr (Dyke)", the second paragraph of the History section seems to have been copied word for word from part of the Threekingham village web site at www.threekingham.org.uk. I believe the copying is from rather than to the village web site, because the paragraph represents only a part of the village web site information.

That's a pity, not only because of the possibility of plagiarism, but also because there is much more useful information on the village web pages that could have been used as a source to expand this article ... with paraphrased or more original writing.

If anybody is inclined to rewrite that paragraph before I get around to it, please feel free to do so.

For now, because of the possibility of plagiarism, I'm going to include a citation for the village web site as the source of the information, with my otherwise minor edit of November 27 2010. Twistlethrop (talk) 13:10, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

St Peter ad Vincula

While I understand how the church name could be linked to WP Liberation of Saint Peter, the connection between the name and the event is less clear. We don't know why the church was named St Peter ad Vincula. Was it a direct reference to the Liberation of St Peter, was it after the early church of the same name, was it after the relic itself, or was it after the festival? We can be sure only that the church is called St Peter ad Vincula and not "The Liberation of Saint Peter". The WP St Peter ad Vincula includes all of these, as well as a list of churches with this name, so I believe that is the most appropriate WP link and have changed it accordingly.Twistlethrop (talk) 17:55, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Account of the battle with the Vikings

I know not everyone accepts the idea that the village name comes from the killing of 3 kings here, but here is an interesting read in any case:

• Allen, Thomas (1834). The history of the county of Lincoln: from the earliest period to the present time. Vol. 1, 2. Lincoln & London: J. Saunders, Jr. p. 287. Retrieved 2013-05-28. {{cite book}}: line feed character in |title= at position 38 (help)

--Robert EA Harvey (talk) 10:10, 28 May 2013 (UTC)