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breed characteristics

I am perturbed to see thoroughbreds as having short backs. Comparative to other breeds, namely the Arab, this isn't so. Also, not all thoroughbreds have a small hoof-to-body mass ratio. Whilst this can be said of the heavily-muscled sprinter types, it certainly isn't true of the middle distance and stayer types.203.63.42.129 (talk) 14:26, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

You need sources for this ... because the information you're changing is sourced in the article. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:33, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Your response has led me to read further on this page (it was originally in response to learning about the workings of Wikipedia) and I am quite disturbed by some of the content. I do not think that a quote from a veterinarian in a newspaper article constitutes a reliable source, particularly as the interpretation of the quote into the Wikipedia article is misleading. I am not so inclined to follow this up but you do need to be aware that this page contains fundamentally misleading information.203.63.42.129 (talk) 04:39, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Due for fine tuning with regard to History section

Article should be updated based on new peer-reviewed research adding to the strong evidence that the Akhal-Teke/Turkoman, and not the Arabian, is the breed of foundation stallions of the modern Thoroughbred.

“Contrary to popular belief, we could detect no significant genomic contribution of the Arabian breed to the Thoroughbred racehorse, including Y chromosome ancestry.”

“Recently... an analysis of horse Y chromosome haplotypes has indicated that the Y haplotype of the “Darley Arabian” actually originated from the Turkoman[/Akhal-Teke] horse, an ancient breed from the Middle East and Central Asia that is... also an “Oriental” type breed.”

“Five of the race-use [Arabian] horses carried the Tb-oB1* haplogroup attributed to the “Byerley Turk” foundation sire of the Thoroughbred breed. Tb-oB1* is found within a variety of breeds and lineages, including the Turkomen[/Akhal-Teke]. Therefore, these five horses may carry Y chromosomes derived from ancestors common to both racing Arabians and the Thoroughbred breed.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-66232-1 Greenineugene (talk) 16:41, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

That's definitely a primary study and needs to be weighed by secondary sources before we should change everything around. Note that this applies to the other two articles (at least) you added this sort of information to the talk page. It's a just published study - we don't rush to include every single study that comes out ... that's what secondary sources are for - to evaluate primary sources and put them in context. --Ealdgyth (talk) 16:58, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

“Every single study that comes out” is not Nature-caliber. Nor was this the first strong study to reach this conclusion. I’ll add more here when I can. In the meantime, the history section of the article, as it stands, is sadly misleading to Wikipedia users. Greenineugene (talk) 01:51, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Explain this to me !! From the dosage line on my horses Pedigree

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Infobox Image

Which infobox image should be used?

1

2

‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 14:14, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Not votes

• Image 2 - the subject of the article (the horse) is more visible and there is less distraction from the jockey. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 14:14, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

That particular horse is quite mediocre and is standing with a hind leg cocked, which violates rule #1 of horse photography. (And by the way, the person leading the horse in the current image is not a “jockey.”) This is a featured article, and it took a long time to find an image that was adequate. Sure, I would prefer to see a vastly better conformation image, such as that in Secretariat, except that image is not a free image and we can’t use it. But the image you propose isn’t enough better to be worth replacing as the lead image in an article that gets very high viewership. Pinging @Ealdgyth: on this, as she’s one of the editors on the original FAC team. Montanabw^(talk) 18:40, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

California Chrome

Another

It’s a real problem to sort through the thousands of Thoroughbred horse photos looking for good conformation shots. I’m not opposed to improving the image we have as lead, it just has to be a true improvement. for example, all I could find of a modern, color photo of a reasonably well-set up horse of known quality (and facing “into” the article) is this image, but it’s a bit out of focus and the horse is leaning too far forward. So … onward…Montanabw^(talk) 19:10, 19 December 2022 (UTC)also pinging @Atsme: who is also up on this stuff. Montanabw^(talk) 19:12, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Well, neither of these, anyway. The image should show the whole horse, alone, standing naturally and facing to the left; clearly it would make sense for it to be in the country of origin of the breed, not sure why we're considering Japanese horses? If there's any interest, I could crop this to remove all of the stablehand but his hands (and tone those down too), but I don't much like the way the snaffle ends up looking like boar-tusks. It'd be good to have a top-quality image of a top-quality horse; I looked at Ribot and Mill Reef, no luck there. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

I put up another. Good horse, but poor resolution. The Japanese horse was used in part because there are so very very very many photos of Japanese Thoroughbreds. There’s a good repository there of high resolution images. The Lac Fontana image has good resolution but again, a horse with poor conformation, also a distracting background and a body clip. I suppose we could consider the historic black-and-white images of acknowledged high quality horses, Manowar for example, but there’s got to be a decent color photo of a decent horse somewhere in Commons. Montanabw^(talk) 19:20, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

• Applebite-Gentlemen has my vote. Atsme 💬 📧 16:21, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Even if I'm a 'complete idiot who doesn't know the difference between a jockey and whoever that is in the photo' (thanks for that), it should be evident that even a photo which does not meet every criteria is better than a photo with a human being in it. In any case I support the substitution of any standalone horse, and Applebite-Gentlemen seems as good as any. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 15:06, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

In theory, sometimes. But often, an excellent representation of a breed has a human handler in the image and so long as it does not detract, it’s not a deal breaker, particularly where existing free images of horses standing alone are poorly posed or poor representations of a breed. Guidelines are good, but IAR and common sense applies. We can swap out the Applebite-gentleman image if that is the consensus here. Montanabw^(talk) 23:14, 31 December 2022 (UTC)