Talk:Thirsty (song)/GA1

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Reviewer: Prism (talk · contribs) 14:47, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Prose and sourcing

Lead

• "recorded" is redundant
• If it's shortened, then it is alternate... so the latter is redundant
• Could you add a source next to "club-friendly", or reword it?

  It's sourced in the composition section. Not meant to have footnotes in the lead.  — ₳aron 15:47, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

• "(...) R&B music song" Remove "music"
• "Upon release" → "Upon release,"
• "while some praised her working with Hit-Boy and Rich Homie Quan, others felt that Carey was trying too hard to appeal to a mass audience" weak contrast, as the second part doesn't really relate to the first.
• "Following the release of the album "Thirsty"" → "Following the release of the album, "Thirsty""
• "Internatioanl" (typo)

Background and release

• "She said that she had not heard "Drunk in Love"" is irrelevant (and a bit shady lol). Just say that she replied by saying that she recorded "Thirsty".  — ₳aron
• "continued to confirm" → "confirmed"
• "alternate" is unnecessary
• This paragraph has a strange order! It goes details on the song → release → recording. Maybe recording → details → recording would be better.

  Split if off into two sections. I think the info about the songs development is more important to come first, as it is, it follows the order of what info was released first.

• Could you only mention the name of the studios, and not where they are located? If readers want to know that information they could just scroll to Credits and personnel, anyway.
• FN5 is overcited. It could be kept just at the end of the paragraph.

Production

• “Blu June” → "Blu June"

  What's the difference?  — ₳aron

  Per MOS:QUOTEMARKS, Calvin, "straight" quotation marks are preferred over "curly" quotation marks. I've fixed this myself. SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 21:41, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

  Now you've pointed it out, I see it, but it just looked the same at first.  — ₳aron 11:41, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

• "The songs" (typo)

Composition

• "which causes her to drown in her own misery.[9] Billy Johnson, Jr. for Yahoo! Music described the track as "[dissing] those desperate for attention" I don't get it. If it's dissing desperate people, why is she 'drowning in her own misery'?

  "Her man’s thirst for fame has left her “drowning” in misery." - You're looking at FN10, not 9.

• "One critic wrote that "Thirsty" lacks the "heft" of a song that Hit-Boy produced called "Flawless" for Beyoncé's self-titled album in 2013." → "[Name of critic] from [Website] wrote that "Thirsty" lacks the "heft" of Beyoncé's 2013 song "Flawless", which was produced by Hit-Boy.

Critical reception

• "with the introduction of the drink being poured" this is already mentioned in Composition.
• "that is was" ?

Controversy

• "However, the only similarity appears to be the name of the song and two words used in the hook." according to whom?

Files and references

Images

• The cover image respects the Wikipedia guidelines for fair-use. Good to go.

References

• HitFix shouldn't be italicized
• The Los Angeles Times publisher isn't needed (periodicals don't need publishers in refs)

• Comment: I'm failing to see how Eddy Hartenstein is a periodical for Los Angeles Times. SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 15:53, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

• SNUGGUMS, I didn't say Hartenstein was a periodical. I said he was the publisher for Los Angeles Times, which is a periodical. pedro | talk 16:10, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

• Comment - The audio sample needs a better description.--PeterGriffin • Talk2Me 00:14, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

  Wikipedia doesn't let me listen to audio files so I can't give it a description.  — ₳aron 15:55, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Note: Calvin, I am so sorry for telling you this now, but I won't be on Wiki until Friday or Saturday. If the changes are all carried out and I'm able to check on Wiki through mobile, I'll pass the article anyway. pedro | talk 10:14, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Okay thanks.  — ₳aron 15:55, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

• Comment The audio sample fails WP:NFCC 3b! The .wav file is too big. Ryoga (talk) 13:02, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Additional comments

• The LA Times ref hasn't been fixed (relatively to its publisher); Def Jam Recordings shouldn't be italicized and Mariah Carey shouldn't either (in refs). The sections still follow a strange order. Why did you go Background → Release → Production instead of merging Background and production? In my opinion, it would make more sense. pedro | talk 12:53, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

• It's been over a week since I pointed out more issues. Now failing the nomination, unfortunately, due to lack of response from the nominator. pedro | talk 17:10, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Was okay for me to wait over a week for you though, for which I had to remind you after. So you have failed this because two work parameters were italicised? I did everything else you asked. LA Times is a newspaper, that's why there is a publisher. You are the first person I have ever come across who has said otherwise. Thanks, thanks a lot.  — ₳aron 22:03, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• @Calvin999: I don't want you to get the wrong impression of me; especially considering that I respect you a lot for your work and for your Wiki status. Now that you pointed that out, I realize that I was a bit unfair... I'm going to remove the FailedGA template now. However, per this, periodicals (i.e. newspapers/magazines etc) shouldn't have their publishers mentioned in refs, as editorial oversight and content determine their reliability, rather than their owner. The first section's order still bugs me, by the way. pedro | talk 22:17, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• I'm sure it wouldn't have killed you or taken more than 10 seconds to remove the publisher yourself if that was the only major issue, which is what I've done on countless occasions before.  — ₳aron 22:25, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• Still... that wasn't the biggest problem. I suggested a different order for the Background section (Background → Release → Production instead of merging Background and production?) above. I won't push it though... I'm sorry. Do you Forgive Me? :P pedro | talk 22:35, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• I've changed that too, not that I thought it needed changing.  — ₳aron 22:38, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

• "Thirsty" is now a GA. pedro | talk 22:43, 21 July 2014 (UTC)