Talk:Thirlmere

The name

If before the lake's construction there were two smaller lakes, neither of which was called Thirlmere, then where did the name Thirlmere come from? It would be good if the article answered this question. Marnanel (talk) 00:05, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I looked at an 1867 1:10,560 OS map online. It shows the two lakes separated by a stream, but the name Thirlmere covers both and neither lake bears an individual name. So the mystery remains. PhilUK (talk) 12:48, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Drowned villages

Two villages, Amboth and Wythburn, were drowned by the reservoir, and I remember reading somewhere that Manchester Corporation employed some dirty tricks to evict the villagers. Can anyone add details of this into the article? PhilUK (talk) 21:02, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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I have looked at a map of 1818 where the lake is called Thirlmere. An older map (1784) shows Leathes Water, and Wyth Burn, but no mention of a lake called Wythburn Water. A map of 1646 calls it Thurlemyre, and seems to class it as a river, as does one of 1576. These maps are available on-line here: [ http://www.geog.port.ac.uk/webmap/thelakes/html/lgaz/lk05261.htm]

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Book quote

Around the late 18th century when this was written, printers never wrote “it is” as the contraction we know today as “it’s” (though things changed in the first half of the 19th century). When “it’s” was written it was as a possessive form as is used in the quote, so grammatically correct at the time (as far as the printers were concerned). Interestingly, in the Wikipedia documentation around style, there is mention that the preferred style in entries is, “it is”. Something that most editors seem to ignore?

One question though, if we change a quote’s spelling/form to suit the modern audience (eg, fuggefts -> suggests) should we also change the grammar as well?

I have inserted "[sic]" for two reasons: 1. – indicate that the Wikipedia author quoted this directly (though others changes made), and; 2.- as a suggestion to modern audiences that the usage per current English grammar rules is incorrect.

Neils51 (talk) 00:23, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

1. A quote is a quote is a quote, so what matters is what Gilpin wrote, not whether (by the standards of his day or of ours) his grammar was impeccable.
2. If I recall Fowler aright the justification of inserting 'sic' should be that one's copy might pass through the hands of printers who might want to 'correct' it according to their views on grammar and spelling but otherwise the urge to do so should be resisted.
3. What Gilpin's printers printed was not 'fuggefts' but 'ſuggeſts'; they used ſ, the long s form of the letter 's' because they had it in their font and they felt it more appropriate than the curlier form. We haven't (because we don't). Equally, they routinely printed 'ct' with a ligature between the 'c' and the 't': we don't. Those superficial differences are not changes to the quote: they are changes in its appearance, and that is inherent in using any font different from the one the quote was originally printed in. Quotes from the Tyndale Bible do not require correction of spelling and grammar even though the quote is reproduced in Times New Roman, rather than the original blackletter - even less do they require "[sic]" after every departure from current norms.

Rjccumbria (talk) 20:31, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Revised to use hidden sic templates. Neils51 (talk) 14:38, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Class

This fine article is certainly not start class (as advertised till I stuck my oar in). It seems to me to have the potential for GA or even FA, and I hope the main editor will consider that possibility. Tim riley talk 15:36, 27 January 2020 (UTC)