Talk:Third-party and independent candidates for the 2024 United States presidential election/Archive 1

Archive 1

Are all of these really political parties?

When a candidate files with the Federal Election Commission, they are asked to provide the name of their political party. However, that does not necessarily mean that the political party has any existence outside of their own campaign. Hence, it may be inaccurate to say, "The following parties have had candidates file their intent to run, but a nominee has not been selected yet." I have never heard of the "Jewish/Christian National Party", the "One Earth Party", or the "Resource Party" outside the context of this article. It would be inaccurate to say that the National Unity Party selected John B. Anderson as its nominee in 1980, because that party was created by Anderson's campaign; similarly, some of these parties are not waiting to select their nominee, but rather certain parties were created by candidates in order to run under the banner of those parties. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Unless the existence of the party (in its own right) can be verified by reliable secondary sources, I think we should list the candidate in question in the Independents section. Maybe we could add a note saying that the person has "filed as a candidate for the (fill-in-the-blank) Party, of which there is currently little or no available reliably sourced information about", or words to that effect. Sal2100 (talk) 22:03, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Most of this article seems WP:UNDUE. Why are we using Ballotpedia as a “reliable source”? If the candidate and/or political party does not have its own article, it is not WP:NOTABLE, and should be excluded altogether. Prcc27 (talk) 03:56, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree that Ballotpedia should not be used as a source, as it is clearly not WP:RS-compliant. I don't agree that only candidates that have WP articles should be included on this page, as third party candidates generally don't draw the same degree of significant media coverage that major party candidates do. To quote from WP:N: "These guidelines only outline how suitable a topic is for its own article or list. They do not limit the content of an article or list". However, WP:V does apply to the content to articles/lists, so only candidates whose candidacies can be verified by RS-compliant sources should be included. Sal2100 (talk) 21:51, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Like Prcc27 (talk) 22:04, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

South Carolina Write-Ins

I’m new here, so I don’t know how to fix this, but SC does not permit write-ins for President, so that needs to be removed for the ASP and the Prhibition party Chestertonnerd (talk) 21:29, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

hmm... You're right. Unless someone gets to it before me, I'll try to fix that later today. Dhalsim2 (talk) 16:32, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Dhalsim2 (talk) 00:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Collapsible list of write-in states

@Prcc27, you removed the collapsible list of write-in states for candidates which I had added. I'm not upset or offended, as I agree that the collapsible list isn't ideal. I do think that it is likely better to have the lists simply because many of the states on the map are far too small to see. Judging by the Third party and independent candidates for the 2020 United States presidential election, all candidates except the Libertarian candidate received a substantial portion of their support from write-in states, so this is important information. If not the collapsible list, is there some alternate means of including this information that might be better? I ask with sincerity. Dhalsim2 (talk) 00:12, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

I do not think it is necessary, but a collapsible footnote would be preferable to a collapsible list. Prcc27 (talk) 02:19, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

This is an excellent idea. And I agree that it may not be necessary, but I do believe that it would be beneficial. Dhalsim2 (talk) 03:54, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Sooooooooo

Do we just delete/remove Kanye West since this or keep him but put a note that the campaign is dead/didn't take off 2603:6011:9600:52C0:D51:8E49:2825:BADA (talk) 07:01, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

We should probably create a withdrawn section. I am not too sure Ye qualifies as withdrawn, since he himself did not announce he was dropping out. But we should do whatever is done at the main article. Prcc27 (talk) 12:51, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Notability for Libertarian and Green Party candidates

We obviously can't list every candidate. Are we going with any candidate that recieves coverage in reliable sources, do they need a Wikipedia page? Let's clear this up. Esolo5002 (talk) 18:52, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I think having a Wikipedia article would help establish notability; "coverage in reliable sources" is kind of nebulous. David O. Johnson (talk) 05:04, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I think requiring a WP article would be a little unfair given that third-party candidates generally receive far less attention from major media venues than do those who seek the nomination of a major party. Besides, sometimes a front-runner for a third-party nomination is someone who doesn't meet GNG or any of the other qualifying guidelines for standalone notability, and it would be a misrepresentation of the party's nominating race to leave them off altogether.

With that being said, I agree that there does need to a clearer standard than just a nebulous "coverage in reliable sources". See my comments in this discussion on the GP primaries talk page, which pretty sums up my thoughts on what standards should be applied to third-party candidates in general. In short: candidate has a legit campaign site, verified filing or statement of candidacy, and least some degree of actual reporting (actual details, beyond a passing mention) on their campaign in in at least one reliable independent source. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 21:59, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Other Noteworthy Presidential Candidates

Joshua Rodriguez, An Interview can be found here

Chris Fronzak "Declared intent to run" as no paperwork has been filed

Hugo Valdez-Garcia and Beau Lindsey As seen here in this post, could be considered minor candidates

Can someone add these in the right places?

Originally requested by @Microplastic Consumer on 2024 United States presidential election. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 00:45, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Mark Cuban 2024?

so, I know that Cuban declined to run but Ive been seeing some mainstream outlets like ABC News talk about a potential Cuban bid, citiing his departure from the show 'Shark Tank' and selling off his stake in the NBA team, the Dallas Mavericks. Is it possible to consider him as a potential candidate again? Just asking. Snowboi (talk) 00:44, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

He's been very clear [1] Esolo5002 (talk) 00:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I just wanted to make sure Snowboi (talk) 00:55, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Nikki Haley third party?

Nikki Haley is listed as a potential third party candidate when she has never expressed interest in that. The source for her there is an interview with No Labels founder Joe Lieberman, who says they may consider her if she were interested, but there is no indication she has considered that. For the other candidates, their sources are typically interviews where they say they're open to the idea. Haley hasn't had that. Is it fair to put her here when she hasn't indicated possibility? Colin.1678 (talk) 21:00, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't think Haley should be listed under No Labels, I think the inclusion is misleading and as such I've removed it for the time being. Przemysl15 (talk) 09:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Cornel West Aurora Alaska

Cornel West is on the ballot under Aurora Alaska's ballot line-in year's past we've listed additional party nominations under the candidate-while he's running as an independent, should we mention that he's been nominated by them as well? (something like Third party and independent candidates for the 2020 United States presidential election with Rocky de La Fuente or Howie Hawkins?) Cas2024 (talk) 18:16, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

PSL

If we can't find ballot access for the PSL, it shouldn't be included in nominees with ballot access. Politicdude (talk) 04:27, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Prcc27 (talk) 04:59, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Independent Political Report has an article on how the PSL ticket submitted their signatures to the state of Utah. proof I don't know when Utah will accept or deny ballot access, depending on if and when and how many signatures are struck down or not. 2601:244:0:E790:75F9:A93A:AD3D:D9CB (talk) 03:30, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Write-In Access

https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/2023-10/Write_In_Voting_Designed_Report_508.pdf

According to clearing house, the following states do not require registration for write-in access. Therefore, can someone add these to the candidate maps (it appears someone already added most of them for Sonski/Wood)? Or am I missing something

Alabama, Arkansas, Iowa, Kansas, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Wyoming = 82 EVs

Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 22:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

If it's already added for some candidates then it should be there for all. ~Politicdude (About me, talk, contribs) 17:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

According to a 2021 statute, write-in candidates for president and vice-president in Kansas are required to register with the state for their ballots to be counted. Doesn't say anything about signatures. Unless something changed in the last 2 years (nothing that I could personally find) then I don't think KS should be counted just yet. Longestview (talk) 13:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Agreed with @Longestview. That PDF seems to be wrong about Kansas. The statute that it cites specifies the voter procedure of writing in a candidate, but it doesn't have anything to do with candidate registration. Dhalsim2 (talk) 20:26, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Yep, don't see how the 2022 statute referenced in the pdf changes the affidavit rule so looks to be an inaccuracy. Also as an additional source: https://sos.ks.gov/elections/candidate-information.html Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 23:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I believe that Arkansas is similar to Kansas. It is not the case that Arkansas is a no-registration-required state. See Third party and independent candidates for the 2020 United States presidential election. Unless there has been some change since then, I believe that the PDF is wrong. Dhalsim2 (talk) 06:20, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Its a dot gov site from 2023 so unless there's a more recent source to the contrary we should stick with it. Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 20:50, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

The report does come from a legit source (eac.gov) and was published recently enough (October 2023), but it's also the case that this federal-level source is simply doing its own state-level research in order to derive this data. They offer the disclaimer:

Data included in this chart is not intended to be exhaustive and is derived from a research partnership between the U.S. EAC and the National Conference of State Legislatures. This chart is not intended to provide legal advice. For the most complete and up-to-date information, please consult with state officials. If any information is inaccurate in this document, please email clearinghouse@eac.gov.

— U.S. Election Assistance Commission Write-In Voting Report, Page 6

In any dispute whether this Arkansas is wrong or not, I believe that the report would take precedence over original research, but looking at the 2020 election results, it seems clear enough that the community would accept that the report is wrong. If this acceptance by the community isn't the case, I drop my contention, and I'll leave it be. Dhalsim2 (talk) 16:50, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

RFK Jr is on the ballot in Hawaii

its apperently been confirmed by the Kennedy campaign that the Hawaii Sec. of State has certified the required signatures needed to put Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on the ballot in Hawaii. Link: https://www.kennedy24.com/kennedy_supporters_signatures_we_the_people_party_hawaii Snowboi (talk) 05:23, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Cornel West is on the ballot in South Carolina

It seems to be confirmed that, at least according to the West campaign, he's made it on the ballot in South Carolina (no word on if he missed Hawaii or not, though.) WriteInAcknowledger (talk) 18:45, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Single candidate table vs multiple candidate tables

Longestview changed the list of candidates from being in a single table to multiple tables. Is there consensus that this is better? I personally prefer them in a single table. The maps are then aligned with the respective candidate and it is visually easier to parse. Dhalsim2 (talk) 19:40, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

This is how it's formatted on the 2020 page. No consensus as to which is better. Longestview (talk) 04:19, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, understood. No hostility from me. Just a sincere question. If people prefer the multiple tables, I totally accept that. I just hope others might speak up regarding which they prefer. Dhalsim2 (talk) 22:13, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I prefer the single table myself; the rendering works fine on mobile, whether on the app or the browser, but on a desktop, the alignment is a little off, since the Prohibition Party candidates don't have images (and the rest of the candidates in that section do). David O. Johnson (talk) 23:15, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

How much time for comments is appropriate before moving back to the single table? I don't want to do anything unfairly. Dhalsim2 (talk) 03:04, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

As it's been over a month with no objections, I've gone ahead and switched back to the single candidate table. Dhalsim2 (talk) 23:58, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Cool Flags + My Tables

Hey everyone, in a recent edit I added some very neat animated flags. I'm wondering if we could make that the standard for the articles, as they seem to pop out more, they were reverted when I added them.

Another thing that was reverted was my tables for the PFP and the LMP, can these be added back? Microplastic Consumer (talk) 02:46, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Animated flags don’t seem to add any encyclopedic value.

I haven’t seen the ones you added, but to me that sounds reminiscent of the late-90s website kitsch and not really in character with what Wikipedia is going for. SecretName101 (talk) 12:41, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, finding your edit affirms my suspicion. It really does look late-90s geocities kitsch and adds no value SecretName101 (talk) 12:47, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Agreed with others. No offense, but this screams GeoCities. Dhalsim2 (talk) 00:09, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

United Citizens Party

This party seems to be a bit of ghost when it comes to any official announcements. In the 2020 election, the party had supposedly nominated Howie Hawkins. But no information could be sourced.

I'd suggest adding a tag considering the past behavior, as the only source comes from West's campaign themselves and no mention elsewhere. Tipsyfishing (talk) 19:09, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Joseph Kishore announced as Socialist Equality Party nominee

As stated, the Socialist Equality Party nominated Joseph Kishore (who was also their nominee in 2020), with Jerry White as the VP (White himself has been the presidential nominee four times for the SEP).

I'm posting this here because I don't fully understand the criteria and sources necessary to add a third party candidate. There's this announcement from the SEP itself - https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/02/27/qfmi-f27.html - but that may not be enough.

Hopefully someone with more know-how and knowledge in this can see if there's sufficient information out there to add Kishore to the list of candidates.

Hope all are well. MikeyX58 (talk) 18:15, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Kennedy in South Carolina

Kennedy is listed in the table as having qualified for ballot access in South Carolina, but South Carolina is still blank on the graphic 2600:1700:1040:4A9F:4445:114A:8F79:CA9C (talk) 19:44, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Kennedy's on the ballot in Wisconsin, alongside Stein and the Libertarian nominee

source: https://captimes.com/news/elections/has-biden-trump-skepticism-opened-wisconsin-to-third-party-push/article_ca4dadf2-e79c-11ee-b99d-e335c8021b25.html Snowboi (talk) 02:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

The article doesn't say that Kennedy is actually on the ballot in Wisconsin yet. David O. Johnson (talk) 02:59, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Move no labels to general election candinates

No labels have said that THER will pick a candinate. 2A02:2121:2C6:82E:5589:ED08:B178:699D (talk) 09:55, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

That would be inappropriate in my opinion. Let's wait for candidate to be at least nominated. The vast majority of political campaigns make assertions that never come to fruition; there is no reason to have a lower standard for this particular potential campaign. Dhalsim2 (talk) 23:21, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

There seem to be to many people listed in the "declined" section for No Labels

20 people are listed as "declined" compared to one in "publicly expressed interest", and one in "potential". Perhaps some of the less relevant names should be removed from declined. I'd love to hear other peoples' thoughts on the subject though. RickStrate2029 (talk) 19:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. Especially because they don't even have a candidate yet, them taking up as much space on the page as they do constitutes undue weight. Remove the less relevant names that have been floated. Dhalsim2 (talk) 23:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

I removed Geoff Duncan and Fred Upton, as those aren't exactly household names. David O. Johnson (talk) 00:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

I removed Bill Haslam and Mitch Daniels as neither were reported to be seriously considered and the source for Daniels specifically is almost a year old and speculative. RickStrate2029 (talk) 06:14, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

"Potential" candidates for No Labels section

Following Chris Christie decision to not run for President via No Labels, there is no one included under "publicly expressed interest" or "potential" for No Labels. If the section is going to remain there, it needs potential candidates, at least until No Labels makes a decision whether or not to run a candidate. Some potential candidates that should be included are Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, and Jay Nixon. Although I'd love to hear other peoples' thoughts. RickStrate2029 (talk) 06:16, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

None of them should be included as potential candidates (and I've removed Collins and Murkowski more than once). The cited sources don't back it up. David O. Johnson (talk) 06:25, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

RFKJR inaccurate ballot access

According to CNN, RFKJR has only qualified for the ballot in Utah. The map needs to be updated [2]. Prcc27 (talk) 12:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

“His campaign has said it has gathered enough signatures to qualify for the ballot in New Hampshire, Nevada and Hawaii, while a super PAC backing his White House bid has said it has collected enough signatures to qualify Kennedy in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan and South Carolina” is what this article is based on. Esolo5002 (talk) 12:46, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Having enough signatures to qualify ≠ qualifying for the ballot. The CNN article also notes he may not qualify in Nevada, despite having enough signatures. Maybe a separate color for having enough signatures to qualify would suffice? But you cannot say he has ballot access in states he does not have ballot access in. Prcc27 (talk) 14:57, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't think Arizona, Georgia, Michigan or South Carolina should be listed either; those are still pending approval from the individual states. David O. Johnson (talk) 23:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I think it would be a little absurd to wait, some states won’t officially certify till September. But we could add a note like ABC did in their tracker “Because many states won't confirm qualification until later this year, we're including cases in which a party or candidate has submitted qualification signatures or claims to have enough backing to qualify, as long as such claims can't be contradicted by available data. In a few cases, qualification might not actually happen.”

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/538/rfk-jr-party-contenders-make-ballot-november/story?id=108346487 Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 16:55, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Longestview adjusted the map to differentiate between being on the ballot and pending certification. It looks good the way it is now. David O. Johnson (talk) 20:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Maybe something on my end but the formatting doesn't match the maps still for me?

Two small things:

1) West in Utah should also be pending per the ballot access page

2) I think Nevada should not be included for Kennedy unless he redoes the petition or wins the lawsuit, as the SOS's position is that his petition was invalid (also per the ballot access page) Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 03:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

I am not satisfied with Hawaii being shaded for RFKJR. Yes, his party has qualified for the ballot, but they still have to officially nominate him (if they have not done so already). Prcc27 (talk) 18:20, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Technically by the letter of the law.. you're correct, but the party was created explicitly for the purposes of nominating him.

By that logic we don't *know* that the PSL or ASP has officially sent the nomination of their candidates to the Hawaii Secretary of State and had it approved, but it is a fair assumption. Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 22:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Dick Cheney

Former UN Ambassador John Bolton just announced that he's considering starting a national write-in effort for Dick Cheney President. What are we supposed to do with this information? I added Cheney Sr. to the potential candidates section since that kinda made sense, but if anyone has other ideas feel free to leave suggestions. RickStrate2029 (talk) 17:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Not really a potential candidate. Anyone can write-in anyone; doesn’t make them a “candidate”. Prcc27 (talk) 17:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Anyone can write-in anyone, but not just anyone has a national write-in movement behind them. John Bolton said he's starting a national write-in movement for Dick Cheney, that makes him a candidate. RickStrate2029 (talk) 21:03, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

The article just says Bolton is planning on writing in Cheney[3]; nothing is mentioned about a "national write-in campaign." David O. Johnson (talk) 21:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect, if you listen to the video of Bolton he specifically says "if I could start a national write-in movement for Dick Cheney, maybe I should do that". RickStrate2029 (talk) 18:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Fusion ticket parties

Because this is about third party candidates and WFP, Conservative Party, United Kansas are expected to fusion ticket a major party nominee I feel like they can be removed? The fusion ticket parties aren’t included on the 2020 page. Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 01:08, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree that parties that are fusion-ticketing a major party candidate need not be included on this page. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 01:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I also agree, but they have to announce that they're fusion-ticketing first. Until then, they should stay. RickStrate2029 (talk) 18:56, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Petition rejected or withdrawn

Why is Nevada for RFKJR marked as “Petition rejected or withdrawn”? The petition has not been officially rejected, has it? Also, why does the color only show up for RFKJR. And are the states in red sourced well enough to comply with WP:RS..? Prcc27 (talk) 05:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

He didn't have a vice president candidate on his ballot when he started the petition. The law seems to made to prevent a candidate from tricking voters from supporting a ticket that misleads them. RFK threatened to sue, but there hasn't been any more news since then. Nevada hasn't said if this issue can be rectified to my knowledge. Thecommander236 (talk) 18:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I feel like it is WP:OR to say the petition was rejected. Yes, the state told him he was supposed to have a running mate on the petition, but that is not a formal rejection. Nevada should not be red. Prcc27 (talk) 02:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

You can try and contact the campaign or Nevada and ask them directly. Lacking any official word, the petition seems to be on hold for now. I believe he will get on the ballot in the end. Thecommander236 (talk) 07:57, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Third Party with Ballot Access

This page lists several political parties with ballot access who have not endorsed or nominated a candidate yet. I went through Ballotpedia and through each state's election website. For the sake of future edits, I will list them here if anyone wishes to do a little more research and add them into the article. They are the America First Party of Mississippi, Boricua Party of Florida, Coalition with a Purpose of Florida, Colorado Center Party, Conservative Party of Delaware, Conservative Party of Florida, Ecology Party of Florida, Forward Party, Independent American Party of Utah, Independent Party of Delaware, Independent Party of Florida, Independent Party of Louisiana, Independent Party of Oregon, Justice Party of Mississippi, Non-Partisan Delaware, People's Party of Florida (though they are about to have their access revoked this month), Reform Party USA of Mississippi, United Utah Party, Vermont Progressive Party, and the Working Class Party of Maryland and Michigan. I haven't been able to figure out if the Conservative Parties of Delaware and Florida are affiliated or if the Independent Parties of Delaware, Florida, Louisiana, or Oregon are affiliated. The two Working Class Parties are definitely affiliated, though. Thecommander236 (talk) 20:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Through research I have done myself, a large majority of the parties that you have listed have never nominated a candidate for President in their own right, and show no signs that they might this time round. Longestview (talk) 21:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Here's a list of those parties and their presidential nominations:

New parties (Achieved ballot access after 2020)

• Colorado Center Party
• Forward Party (No plans)

No nominee in last 3 elections:

• America First Party of Mississippi
• Independent Party of Oregon (Nominated Biden in 2020, has not nominated its own candidate)
• Reform Party USA of Mississippi
• Vermont Progressive Party
• United Utah Party
• Working Class Parties of Maryland and Michigan
• Justice Party of Mississippi
• Independent Party of Delaware Nominated RFK Jr.
• Non-Partisan Delaware
• Conservative Party of Delaware
• Independent Party of Louisiana

Florida's recognized minor parties that are unable to nominate a presidential candidate without 100k signatures or being added to the ballot by the Secretary of State (only parties automatically given access are DEM, REP, GRN, LIB, NAT.LAW, CONST, and SOC.)

• Boricua Party of Florida
• Coalition with a Purpose of Florida
• Conservative Party of Florida
• Ecology Party of Florida
• Independent Party of Florida
• People's Party of Florida

Look out for:

• Independent American Party of Utah

Longestview (talk) 04:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

The Independent Party of Delaware itself has not mentioned their nomination. RFK JR's site is the only source of it so far. Added a tag to the endorsement until further notice. Tipsyfishing (talk) 21:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Ballot Access News has reported on it.

https://ballot-access.org/2024/05/07/independent-party-of-delaware-nominates-robert-f-kennedy-jr-for-president/ David O. Johnson (talk) 22:28, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Ballot Access News is an aggregator, without a direct source besides what the campaigns themselves state in this situation. Tipsyfishing (talk) 00:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

"Potential" candidates section removed

I have removed the "potential" candidates section as it is May and it only included Liz Cheney (who mostly received third party attention because of No Labels). If anyone disagrees with the removal feel free to comment on why, but given how close the election is it might be the right time. RickStrate2029 (talk) 23:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Randall Terry Nominated for Constitution Party

According to Ballot Access News, Randall Terry has been nominated by the Constitution Party to be their party's nominee in the 2024 election at their National Convention in Salt Lake City. However, not yet clear on if/who they have decided as their VP nominee.

Source: https://ballot-access.org/2024/04/27/randall-terry-wins-constitution-partys-presidential-nomination/ Aaraeal14017 (talk) 17:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Terry and his running mate are now included on the page. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 23:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Today, 2024-05-28, Ballot Access News highlighted that though Terry won the CP national nomination, several CP state parties nominate their presidential candidate independently and some of those have opted to go with someone other than Terry, meaning that Terry's ballot access for those states is questionable. In particular, it doesn't look like his access in Nevada is legit.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhalsim2 (talk • contribs) 21:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Randall Terry

The Nevada Constitution Party nominated Joel Skousen meaning that Randall Terry isn't technically on the ballot in Nevada according to Ballot Access. Can we get a confirmation on this and what other Constitution affiliates have chosen Skousen over Terry? Terry is running as an Independent in multiple states and hasn't been locked in by the CP affiliates. Thecommander236 (talk) 23:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Jill Stein has secured the Nomination for the Green Party

When someone gets the chance, update the page to include Jill Stein securing the Green Party nomination. Better source needed but her Campaign has said that they have a majority of the delegates. 2601:100:8680:2C10:A87:DAE3:AF61:6AE7 (talk) 02:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

• Presumptive

2601:100:8680:2C10:A87:DAE3:AF61:6AE7 (talk) 02:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

She has not been properly added into the infobox. This needs to be fixed. 2605:8D80:5E2:F2C:1DB0:1A01:E9EB:4F16 (talk) 16:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Here is the "better source needed": https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jill-stein-makes-major-announcement-on-green-party-nomination-for-president/ar-BB1n5TjE A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 20:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

She is the presumptive nominee, not the nominee. It is debatable whether she belongs in the General election candidates section yet. However, if she does belong there, she certainly belongs in the Candidates with majority ballot access sub-section because write-in votes should contribute towards the 270 electoral vote eligibility. The sole purpose of the dividing line is to separate those who have the technical possibility of winning from those who don't. Her ballot eligibility including write-in access puts her over the line. Dhalsim2 (talk) 21:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Automatic write-in access shouldn't be considered, as it doesn't guarantee that write-in votes will be counted. Less than half of the states that gave automatic write-in access in 2020 reported a single individual write-in vote in official state counts, and others only reported write-in votes for some candidates. Vermont was really the only state that gave out complete write-in tallies. We simply have no way of knowing which states will count and how. Longestview (talk) 03:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

That's not quite true. Based on precedent over the last two presidential election cycles, we do know that certain states will report write-in votes, those being: AZ, CA, CT, DE, FL, GA, ID, IL, IN, KS, KY, MD, MA (from municipalities only), MI, MN, MO, NJ (from counties only), NY, OH, PA (from counties only), RI (by making raw data available only), TN, TX, UT, VT, WV, WI. Among those, the automatic states are NJ, PA, RI, VT. Among the states that don't regularly release write-in results, they typically have conditions under which they will release them, and these conditions typically revolve around the possibility of winning the election. Truthfully, the odds of any of these candidates winning the election are extremely slim, but if we're going to draw a line between those who have a theoretic possibility of winning and those that have no theoretic possibility of winning, then the line at least ought to reflect a true possibility and not just a likelihood. Dhalsim2 (talk) 18:31, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Is there a way to transclude a legend?

For RFK Jr., for example, the Third party and independent candidates for the 2024 United States presidential election#Candidates with partial ballot access section of this article and the Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 2024 presidential campaign#Ballot access articles have to be updated separately. Is it possible to transclude the legend so that only one page has to be updated, with the transclusion updating the other article? David O. Johnson (talk) 16:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it is. I've replaced the map legend on Kennedy's campaign page with a transclusion command. Longestview (talk) 20:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Appreciate it. David O. Johnson (talk) 20:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Outdated ballot access map for RFK Jr. campaign

Hi,

I've noticed that the ballot access maps for RFK Jr.'s campaign are outdated. CA, HI, UT, MI and OK are correctly colored, while DE and NH aren't colored bright green, though they should be.

Thanks, David O. Johnson (talk) 22:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

The Reform Party of Florida has restored Ballot access. That party joined up with Alliance for 2020 and the Reform party and Alliance Party have nominated RFK Jr. Can we confirm whether or not the Florida branch is doing the same or not? Thecommander236 (talk) 03:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes the Reform Party of Florida nominated RFK. It's already sourced; see [4]. I'm going to go ahead and revert your latest edit to the article. David O. Johnson (talk) 03:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

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